How the Twins and Giants Could Align on a Joe Ryan Trade

13 hours ago, SteveLV said:

Any trade with Giants for pitchers of the caliber of Ryan or Lopez has to include Bryce Eldridge, who got a cup of coffee at the end of last season and is the prototypical 1B masher the Twins need.

Edridge just had a bone spur removed in his wrist so the medicals need to be checked out, but that is the headliner on any deal with the Giants as far as I am concerned, not some prospect that is 3 years away.

This is the only way this happens and Posey has been fairly consistent and adamant that they are not moving Eldridge and plan for him and Devers to be the core of the middle of their line up one way or another. 
 

The only way I see Ryan going back to Cali is if the Dodgers decide they are content keeping Sasaki as their closer and make a compelling offer to add Ryan to their stacked rotation. I still think the Red Sox might be the best bet but as I’ve perused those circles those fans seem delusional about what would get that deal done. Duran and Password are both no go’s for me. If we’re going outfielders from them it better be Abreu or Rafaela, they’re young enough to at least still fit with what our realistic timeline is now. Tolle/Early/Casas/Campbell is more so what I would think (Tolle/Campbell being my preference with the expectation that Campbell is dropped in at first and bounces back with the bat at a consistent home), but who knows with this FO. 
 

I also think the whole “sending players home” angles are overplayed. If we tear the whole thing down and Buck waives his no trade I can see Philly being an option as contenders who might also see him as a piece to put them over the hump, hopefully bringing back Painter/Crawford more so than an Atlanta deal. I don’t see that happening without Ryan/Pablo/Jeffers and possibly more going first though. 
 

Only thing I know for sure is the next 3-4 years are gonna be rough. 

1 hour ago, Cory Engelhardt said:

Just came back to throw out a concept of an idea.

This deal alone is just not enough as listed. It's probably not even halfway there, especially when considering other teams will make offers.

Let's say the Giants are ok putting Patrick Bailey on the table. His offense is just not good, but he is among the best defensive catchers in baseball. They certainly could make a play for Realmuto this offseason instead and then have Bailey available for trade.

How far apart would the deal be if the offer for Ryan was...

1) Patrick Bailey

2) Josuar Gonzalez

3) Hayden Birdsong

I STILL feel like it's not enough. But I will say Bailey would help transform the defense. This kind of idea would intrigue me more than the original offer/naming.

Thoughts?

 

Not even close .... for me (imo). The Giants are quite unlikely to discuss Eldridge because they need a first baseman and a power bat wrapped up in a controllable low price because they are spending money elsewhere on their roster. That aside, the Giants and Twins are not a match.

The Twins have players in Rookie ball, they have Winokur, Houston, and Culpepper. They should have a high draft choice next year. There is no such thing as too much talent but Ryan needs to return players who have excelled at AA and AAA or have already made a mark in MLB. If there is no market, keep him.

15 hours ago, HrbieFan said:

Why trade for an 18 yo SS when you have an offense and rotation that can compete? Trade to fill holes, not just top prospects. 

Do you believe this MN roster can compete? What evidence of that has there been the the past 2 years?

The Giants do not have the bullets to pull this deal off on their own. What is proposed here won't do it, and if the Giants aren't in a position to offer the best they have then they are out. Unless Falvey caves in and does something really stupid. This doesn't mean the Giants couldn't acquire Ryan. It just means they need multiple teams involved in one way or another to get it done. I'm in favor of trading Ryan now. We have him for two more seasons on a bad team. We don't have an owner who will extend him beyond his time here or an owner who will look to build a highly competitive team around Ryan before he leaves. But in trading Ryan we have to get it right and a trade with the Giants alone will not do it. It will take immense creativity to get the maximum out of Ryan. Unfortunately we have Falvey being part of the creativity. 

When the front office clearly signaled that this is not a rebuild and simply a retool by going out and targeting higher minors players as opposed to higher ceiling low minors players why would you suggest two 18 year old low minors guys? You may not agree with the trades or the direction but the FO has shown you what direction it’s headed. Therefore any proposal that doesn’t start with Eldridge is a phone hang up right away. Next call please.

If he's getting traded. the Mets and Red Sox line up better than the Giants. Without Eldridge, which I believe is not available, there's no trade here that remotely matches what was done at the deadline.

When was the last time we traded a front line starting pitcher that we can look back and say the we won the deal?  I'll wait.