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  • How Do the Twins Stack Up Against the Toronto Blue Jays in the Postseason?


    Cody Schoenmann

    The Twins and Blue Jays are teams with similar strengths and weaknesses. How does this bode for a potential playoff match-up?

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    As the Twins near their first postseason appearance since 2020, they may find themselves in a border battle with their Ontario-based neighbors in Toronto.

    Coming into the 2023 season, expectations for the Blue Jays were CN Tower high. After getting heartbreakingly swept by the Mariners during the 2022 American League Wild Card round, the Blue Jays supplemented their already strong core by signing free agents in center fielder Kevin Kiermaier, starting pitcher Chris Bassitt, first baseman Brandon Belt, relief pitcher Chad Green and trading for relief pitcher Erik Swanson from the Mariners and outfielder Daulton Varsho from the Arizona Diamondbacks. 

    Adding these prized acquisitions to an already formidable core solidified the Blue Jays as both American League East and World Series contenders.

    During the 2023 MLB Trade Deadline, the Blue Jays traded for relief pitchers Jordan Hicks and Genesis Cabrera from the St. Louis Cardinals in an attempt to further fortify their World Series-hopeful roster.

    Unfortunately, the Blue Jays have yet to meet their lofty expectations. They are battling for an American League Wild Card spot with the Texas Rangers, Houston Astros, and Seattle Mariners while owning an 84-67 record.

    An 84-67 record is good nonetheless, and the Blue Jays will likely finish with a better record than the Twins. If the Blue Jays can make it into the playoffs, they will be a daunting opponent with above-average pitching and offense.

    Blue Jays Position Players
    Here are the position players who headline the ninth-best offense in baseball by fWAR:
    *Offensive statistics are up to date as of 9/20

    • Matt Chapman, 3B - .246/.335/.430 (.765), 538 PA, 15 home runs, 112 wRC+, 3.2 fWAR
    • Bo Bichette, SS - .304/.336/.474 (.810), 550 PA, 19 home runs, 123 wRC+, 3.2 fWAR
    • Kevin Kiermaier, OF - .265/.323/.425 (.748), 373 PA, eight home runs, 106 wRC+, 2.1 fWAR
    • George Springer, OF/DH - .257/.330/.406 (.736), 635 PA, 20 home runs, 105 wRC+, 2.0 fWAR
    • Brandon Belt, 1B/DH - .251/.369/.470 (.839), 382 PA, 16 home runs, 134 wRC+, 2.0 fWAR
    • Danny Jansen, C - .228/.312/.474 (.786), 301 PA, 17 home runs, 115 wRC+, 2.0 fWAR
    • Whit Merrifield, UTL - .278/.321/.390 (.711), 563 PA, 11 home runs, 96 wRC+, 1.9 fWAR
    • Davis Schneider, 2B - .288/.417/.635 (1.052), 127 PA, eight home runs, 187 wRC+, 1.9 fWAR
    • Daulton Varsho, OF - .220/.286/.376 (.662), 544 PA, 17 home runs, 82 wRC+, 1.7 fWAR
    • Alejandro Kirk, C - .251/.339/.358 (.697), 386 PA, seven home runs, 98 wRC+, 1.5 fWAR
    • Cavan Biggio, UTL - .236/.332/.384 (.716), 289 PA, nine home runs, 102 wRC+, 0.8 fWAR
    • Vladimir Guerrero Jr., 1B - .264/.342/.440 (.782), 644 PA, 24 home runs, 115 wRC+, 0.8 fWAR

    The Blue Jays lineup is a unique amalgamation of star players in Chapman, Bichette, Springer, and Guerrero Jr., savvy veterans in Kiermaier, Belt, and Merrifield, and talented young pieces in Schneider, Varsho, and Biggio. 

    Players not listed above who could be used off the bench in the playoffs are utility player Santiago Espinal, backup catcher Tyler Heineman (Jansen is currently on the IL), first baseman/outfielder Spencer Horwitz (Belt is currently on the IL), and outfielder Cam Eden

    The Blue Jays lineup is predominantly right-handed, with eight of the twelve hitters listed above right-handed, so the Twins right-handed dominant pitching rotation and bullpen should match up well with the Blue Jays lineup in theory. 

    Now that we have familiarized ourselves with the Blue Jays offense, let's transition to their pitching.

    Blue Jays Pitching Staff
    Here are the pitchers who headline the fifth-best pitching staff in baseball by fWAR:
    *Pitching statistics are up to date as of 9/20

    • Kevin Gausman, SP - 172 IP, 3.40 ERA, 3.04 FIP, 31.1% K%, 7% BB%, 4.8 fWAR
    • Jose Berríos, SP - 178 IP, 3.49 ERA, 4.03 FIP, 22.9% K%, 6.7% BB%, 2.8 fWAR
    • Yusei Kikuchi, SP - 158 2/3 IP, 3.74 ERA, 3.81 FIP, 25.7% K%, 7% BB%, 2.4 fWAR
    • Chris Bassitt, SP - 185 2/3 IP, 3.78 ERA, 4.49 FIP, 21.5% K%, 7.5% BB%, 2.1 fWAR
    • Hyun-Jin Ryu, SP - 44 2/3 IP, 2.62 ERA, 4.18 FIP, 19% K%, 6% BB%, 0.7 fWAR
    • Tim Mayza, RP - 50 2/3 IP, 1.24 ERA, 2.41 FIP, 24.3% K%, 6.9% BB%, 1.4 fWAR
    • Jordan Romano, RP - 55 IP, 2.45 ERA, 3.33 FIP, 29.8% K%, 10.1% BB%, 1.2 fWAR
    • Yimi Garcia, RP - 61 2/3 IP, 4.09 ERA, 3.35 FIP, 27.7% K%, 5.6% BB%, 1 fWAR
    • Erik Swanson, RP - 61 2/3 IP, 3.06 ERA, 3.39 FIP, 29% K%, 7.9% BB%, 0.9 fWAR
    • Jordan Hicks, RP - 19 IP (w/TOR), 2.37 ERA, 3.89 FIP, 21.9% K%, 6.8% BB%, 0.2 fWAR
    • Genesis Cabrera, RP - 21 IP (w/TOR), 2.57 ERA, 4.02 FIP, 20% K%, 7.1% K%, 0.2 fWAR

    The Blue Jays' pitching staff is a relatively equal mix, with seven of the pitchers listed above throwing right-handed and four throwing left-handed. 

    If the Twins were to face the Blue Jays in the three-game Wild Card Series, they would likely face Gausman in Game 1 and former Twins ace Berrīos in Game 2. If the series were to go to Game 3, it is unknown whether Kikuchi, Bassitt, or Ryu would get the start, but Kikuchi has been the best performer of the three throughout the season. Of course, that is only if the Blue Jays have an opportunity to set their playoff rotation. They may have to throw Gausman or Berrios on the final game of the season just to grab that #6 spot.

    According to FanGraphs, the Blue Jays have the 11th-best defense in baseball, so the Twins will likely have little opportunity to capitalize on defensive miscues if they face the Blue Jays in the Wild Card Series. 

    The Blue Jays, managed by John Schneider, are 3-3 against the Twins this season, winning two out of three against the Twins at Target Field in late May and losing two out of three against the Twins in early June at Rogers Centre. 

    Although the 2023 regular season did not go as expected for the Blue Jays, they are still a formidable team with a daunting lineup and exceptional pitching staff. The Twins and Blue Jays are two teams with similar strengths and weaknesses, and if they were to match up in the three-game Wild Card round, expect two or three evenly-matched and entertaining games. 

    What do you think of the Toronto Blue Jays? Would you prefer the Twins face them in the three-game Wild Card Series over the Astros, Rangers, or Mariners? Comment below. 

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    As someone who has actually watched the Blue Jays play a lot this season, they do not move me, they are frauds, and if they even make it into the playoffs they will be swept by any AL team. 

    They are like the Padres, lots of names but so incredibly unclutch they are terrible 

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    The 4 teams each have 68 losses are vying for 3 playoff spots.  Toronto has the toughest schedule with 6 against TB and 3 vs NY.  With that schedule I believe they will either be the 6 seed or they won't make the playoffs.

    The only team I don't want to face is the NYY.  Their elimination number is 3.  The worst opponent for the Twins is a team that is red hot over the next 10 days.

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    20 minutes ago, Karbo said:

    The thing that I see looking at their roster is too many lefties, and although the Twins have done better against lefties lately, that is still a weakness another team could exploit.

    I really doubt they would start Ryu in a playoff game, even with the Twins woes against lefties they cant justify not letting one of  Gausman, Kikuchi, Bassit or Berrios to start over him. 

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    If Schneider wants to start 3 right handed pitchers against us. Please do. 

    We currently don't know the playoff status of Lewis, Correa and Buxton who all hit from the right batters box.   

    So... from those who are healthy right now... Here is the list of batters who would swing from the right handed batters box against a left hander:

    Polanco - 2B

    Taylor - CF

    Farmer - SS

    Solano - 1B

    Castro - 3B or LF

    Jeffers - C or possible DH 

    Vazquez - C or Possible DH

    That's 6 or 7 available right handed or switch hitters if they utilize both catchers. That means two left handed hitters will have to start. Kepler will get one spot so that covers RF.

    That means either one or two (depending on if they utilize both catchers) of Kirilloff, Julien, Wallner or Larnach that will have to start against a left hander. 

    It also means any combination of those 4 will have to be pinch hit for in the middle innings... or they will have to face Mayza or Cabrera in the middle innings.

    If Rocco pinch hits against Mayza or Cabrera or Ryu or Kikuchi. It will also leave that trio of right handed relievers leading their bullpen, Romano, Hicks and Swanson to face right handed hitters to close out games.  

    We have been hiding these players when lefties hit the mound all year. 

    I use this moment to make a point that I make often. So here goes... once again.

    How exactly does hiding them against left handed pitching in May, June and July prepare them for facing a left hander in the playoffs? 

    How exactly does pulling Julien in the 2nd inning before he even swings a bat against Sean Manaea prepare Julien for having to face a left hander in the playoffs? 

    How does pinch hitting Vazquez and taking out Julien prepare our young lefties for having to face a lefty in the playoffs? 

    How can any front office when they are making these utilization decisions in May, June and July predict what they will need, who is healthy, who is available come playoff time? 

    It's September 22... We are down 3 right handed hitters at the moment. The strict utilization of the platoon advantage may have painted us into a corner.

    If we are indeed down 3 right handed hitters... can anyone rule the possibility of the right handed Celestino getting a playoff roster spot? I can't. Not only could I see him rostered... I could see him starting.  

    Didn't need you then... all of you young left handed hitters... but we need you now... LEARN FAST Alex, Julien, Matt, Trevor, Max, Joey, Nick and Andrew... LEARN FAST.      

     

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    I personally do not think much of the Blue Jays.  I do not think their pitching is that great.  Gausman is clearly good, but Berrios is very up and down, as we know.  When he is on he can be one of best, but he also can give up a lot of runs quickly. They do have a strong overall offense. 

    To me it does not matter which team we play, each team we are facing will be a tough team overall. 

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    The Blue Jays are less than the sum of their parts. Their lineup is not as fearsome as the names look. Vladdy Jr has been very ordinary this year and we should be able to pitch to him. 

    As of right now, Berrios and Lopez have pretty much the same top line numbers, if that gives anyone any context. So any criticisms or praise you have of one, kind of apply to the other one. Both have been healthy and good. Of course we know that Lopez is on a strikeout tear so that would give him a slight edge if we are comparing. 

    The Blue Jays seem like the most likely opponent and also seem very beatable. 

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    7 hours ago, Karbo said:

    The thing that I see looking at their roster is too many lefties, and although the Twins have done better against lefties lately, that is still a weakness another team could exploit.

    7 hours ago, LonelyseatinMOA said:

    I really doubt they would start Ryu in a playoff game, even with the Twins woes against lefties they cant justify not letting one of  Gausman, Kikuchi, Bassit or Berrios to start over him. 


    I've got bad news for you about Kikuchi

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    23 hours ago, IaBeanCounter said:

    The 4 teams each have 68 losses are vying for 3 playoff spots.  Toronto has the toughest schedule with 6 against TB and 3 vs NY.  With that schedule I believe they will either be the 6 seed or they won't make the playoffs.

    The only team I don't want to face is the NYY.  Their elimination number is 3.  The worst opponent for the Twins is a team that is red hot over the next 10 days.

    Yankees are not part of the conversation...........

     

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    On 9/22/2023 at 4:56 PM, whosafraidofluigirussolo said:


    I've got bad news for you about Kikuchi

    Im not sure what you're referring to. That he is a lefty? I am aware and that is why I listed him second in my list of starting pitchers the Toronto Blue Jays would not take out and let Ryu, their other lefty, start instead of. My whole point is: don't be scared that the Blue Jays have two lefties in their rotation because we will only see one 

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    On 9/22/2023 at 1:10 PM, Trov said:

    I personally do not think much of the Blue Jays.  I do not think their pitching is that great.  Gausman is clearly good, but Berrios is very up and down, as we know.  When he is on he can be one of best, but he also can give up a lot of runs quickly. They do have a strong overall offense. 

    To me it does not matter which team we play, each team we are facing will be a tough team overall. 

    Their offense is relatively strong, compared to the league, but still underperforming expectations considerably. Also, they are very boom or bust, much like the first half twins, they win a lot of games 1-0, 2-1, etc. just because their rotation and bullpen are good

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