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    Do Twins Fans Know That Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach Are Different People?

    Twins fans often lump Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach together—usually, when discussing players they don't want to see any more of. There's only one problem: those two are not similar in results, style, or value to the team.

    Eric Blonigen
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    Editor's Note: The below is, suddenly, part of a series amid what seems to be a very passionate ongoing conversation. We had a related piece submitted and a separate, third one proposed within the last week, so I'm creating an impromptu series on the subject of these two Twins outfielders—especially Wallner—and what makes the difference, actually and narratively, between a good-enough corner slugger and an insufficient one. Joing the discussion here, and know that there will be more analysis in this vein coming very soon.

    A curious thing has happened across Twins Territory. For some reason, many people perceive Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach to be carbon copies, nigh indistinguishable from each other. Eagle-eyed fans can see this reflected in comments to articles on Twins Daily, tweets (and skeets) from people who filled up on haterade before the game, and others who seem to have never actually visited FanGraphs or Baseball Reference (or, you know, even read the stat lines in their local paper). The most frequent thing I see is people calling for both of them to be designated for assignment or traded this offseason, because in many people’s minds, both are eminently replaceable and thoroughly mediocre. As it turns out, though, the two players have been on wildly different career trajectories, and one of them is pretty dang valuable to the Twins for the next several seasons.

    On one hand, I sort of get the confusion. After all, it was really hard to watch Twins games in 2023, in a purely logistical sense. Then this year, of course, has been a lost season, and… you know what? No. There’s just no excuse for not understanding the difference between a player who’s likely to be non-tendered in his second year of arbitration, and one who has legitimately been a very good hitter in each season he has played. Anyway, let’s look at the similarities and differences, and you can see for yourself.

    Let’s start with the similarities. I’m going to tackle this one in bullet point fashion for brevity’s sake. They are both:

    • Left-handed
    • Large humans
    • Drafted by the Twins
    • Mediocre-to-poor fielders who would be better served by being a true DH, all else equal

    That’s about it. Truly. Now, let’s look at the ways they are different.

    For starters, let’s look at career OPS, and wRC+. Larnach has a career 104 wRC+, where 100 is average. This is paired with his .725 OPS. For a can’t-field, can’t-run hitter, that’s just not special in any way. Wallner, on the other hand, has a career wRC+ of 138 and a career OPS of .853. Even for a DH, that’s perfectly solid. You know who wins out here. It’s Wallner.

    Want to see some fancy Baseball Savant percentiles? Coming right up!

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    As you can see here, this season, Wallner has been worth 18 batting runs, which is in the 86th percentile in baseball. His elite bat speed and barrel rate reflect the fact that he can (and often does) clobber the ball, and he walks a ton, too. His baserunning has been neutral, but a tiny bit above average. His fielding has been a negative, worth -2 runs, which is 37th-percentile performance, but this has been buoyed a bit by his cannon arm, which is nearly off the charts. How about Larnach?

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    Yeah. Sort of average. Replacement-level, even. Advantage: Wallner.

    Is WAR more of your thing? Cool! Let’s see what FanGraphs has to say on the subject. In nearly 1,600 career plate appearances across 419 games, Larnach has been worth 2.7 fWAR. That’s a rate of 0.17 per 100 plate appearances. Wallner, on the other hand, has been worth 5.3 fWAR in roughly 900 plate appearances across 255 games. That’s a rate of 0.58 per 100. That’s nearly 3.5 times the rate for Larnach. Advantage: Wallner.

    Maybe the argument is they are similarly clutch (or un-clutch). How do they stack up by WPA? Let’s start with Wallner, this time. Across parts of four seasons, he has accumulated 0.25 WPA. Ok, sort of average. Surely, Larnach has outperformed that, right? Wrong. Larnach has been a rally killer. While the last two seasons have been better than his norm, he has been worth -2.08 WPA across parts of five seasons. Advantage: Wallner, once again.

    Really, by any performance measure, Wallner is the better player—and it’s not remotely close.

    Next, let’s look at this through the lens of value to the team, and specifically, to a team on a budget. Larnach is likely to make about $5 million in 2026. With built-in arbitration raises, in 2027, he’s set to make somewhere between $8-10 million, and it’s hard to envision a scenario where a team will see the value in that sort of contract. If anything, it is perhaps more likely that he will be signing a minor-league deal similar to the one Willi Castro signed when coming to the Twins. Wallner, on the other hand, will be making the league minimum in 2026, and there’s no reason to think he won’t mash. He will hit arbitration for the first time in 2027, where (almost without a doubt) he will be worth the $2-3 million he will be set to make. Wallner is controllable for four more seasons, and would have legitimate value on the trade market should the Twins want to move on for some reason. Advantage: Wallner. Again.

    Okay. So to sum all that up, Wallner has consistently hit like a middle-of-the-order bat, is cheap, controllable, is a Minnesota native, has been more clutch, more valuable, and is literally better in every way than Larnach. After writing almost 1,000 words on the subject, if you still aren’t a Wallner fan, that’s completely ok. Maybe you hate strikeouts. Maybe the stretches where he looks lost at the plate for a few weeks frustrate you. Maybe you think the hat-smelling thing is weird. I’m not gonna yum your yuck. But, let’s stop confusing him for a different player who doesn't constitute an apt comparison. As long-suffering Twins fans, we have been conditioned to think that nothing is working and the future is dimly lit. It’s important that we can appreciate the bright spots when they are happening right in front of our faces, and Wallner is one of those bright spots.

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    28 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    This article is the first time I had heard that people confuse Trevor Wallner and Matt Larnach. 

    Seriously, I wasn't aware of that or the call to release either of them. Of course they have some value.

    They are both best suited to DH duty. Nelson Cruz, among others, made decent livings as a pure DH. The problem the Twins have is not something anyone on this board can control - both appear in the field too often. If you can guarantee that we will only see Matt once a month in the outfield, he can keep his glove. Otherwise burn it. I am fine with Wallner or Larnach as a DH, but neither belongs in the field.

    The pile of numbers/data may be a hook for another team to make a strong offer in an attempt to acquire Wallner. What other team needs bats but may have a tempting player to return to Minnesota? The Twins need to keep all of their options open as they try to rebuild the roster.

    It's not that people are actually confusing them for being the same person. It's that they treat them as if they were producing the same on the field. They get lumped together all the time as being lead-footed LH sluggers who can't defend and don't hit enough and aren't very good. That's the point. It's not that people actually mistake for being the same person. 🙄

    Hells bells, you're doing it right here, saying you're fine with either Larnach or Wallner at DH. You should not be fine with Larnach's production for DH. It's been far worse than Wallner's, and that's the point. 

    3 minutes ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    The title of the article is "Do Twins Fans Know That Matt Wallner and Trevor Larnach Are Different People?"

    titles can't be tongue-in-cheek or sarcastic?

    yeesh.

    Wallner pre and post trade deadline has been quite the contrast:

    Pre August 1st: .210/.309 .771 OPS 13 HRs /  22 RBIs

    Post August 1st: .231/.359 .990 OPS 7 HRs / 13 RBIs

    I don't blame people for being disappointed with Wallner for most of the season given how he was playing, but benching/demoting him would have been a terrible choice given his track record and K% / BABIP rate suggesting better days were coming.

    I don't expect his OPS to be maintained in the 900s, what I really want to see is continued success from him in RISP situations. Before this week he was in the 400s in RISP and that .770 OPS was obfuscating that. Give me hits in RISP over solo homers any day.

     

    2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    My guess (hope?) is that they floated his name at the deadline so they have a feel for what his market is. I'd guess they didn't find anyone willing to meet their asking price and that's why he's still here. That should lead them to non-tendering him. At least that's what a good front office would've done. Wouldn't go into the offseason completely blind and would know whether or not they have a shot at trading him before they have to make the arbitration decision.

    If the options are "get asking price" or "non-tender" it seems to me the front office should have explored "get what you can."

    4 hours ago, Woof Bronzer said:

    Who, specifically, thinks Larnach and Wallner are the same player?  I don't know that I've seen a single person make this case on this website.  I think there's a feeling that the 2 are redundant, that the Twins have too many left handed hitting one tool outfielders, but that's not what the writer is addressing here. 

    Can we get an example of someone claiming they're the same player?

    I think a lot of the redundancy observations/critiques are being lumped in with the "they're the same," argument (which seems to be a very small minority, at least on TD) It's ironic given that the angst over the Larnach/Wallner comp is primarily about the lack of distinction being made. 

    I’d be very upset if the Twins move off of Wallner this offseason.  Feel like he’s one of 4 fielders we have that can be a part of a contending team.  If he’s in one of his hot streaks during the post season he could give you a chance.  

    1 hour ago, jmlease1 said:

    It's not that people are actually confusing them for being the same person. It's that they treat them as if they were producing the same on the field. They get lumped together all the time as being lead-footed LH sluggers who can't defend and don't hit enough and aren't very good. That's the point. It's not that people actually mistake for being the same person. 🙄

    Hells bells, you're doing it right here, saying you're fine with either Larnach or Wallner at DH. You should not be fine with Larnach's production for DH. It's been far worse than Wallner's, and that's the point. 

    Well, I was hoping theTwins could get a new fishing pole for Larnach at the trade deadline. I think they will just let him go because they are not going to pay him. Wallner could be exchanged for someone with potential. Maybe Jared Jones. I have repeatedly stated that Wallner should be a DH. I'm not ok with him in the outfield. 

    I said either because the Twins should be able to find an advantageous trade using Wallner. The guy hits bombs and there are still teams that may pay big for that output. 

    I love Wallner, but still would love to see two players beat both of them out.  I want more on base to mix with the power.  I am afraid this article did not convince me that Wallner really wins out.  Both are less than what I would like. 




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