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    Steve Lein

    The hits just kept on coming for Minnesota Twins affiliates on the night, as the top two teams combined for 39 hits and 34 runs in a pair of blowout victories. A top prospect for another team also jacked a couple of home runs to stay hot since his return to the lineup.

    Image courtesy of Tim Grubbs, Wichita Wind Surge (photo of Spencer Steer)

    After the MLB team’s disappointing collapse against Detroit, it will be a breath of fresh air to read about all the hits instead of hurts, so hold on and keep reading to find out just how many your favorite Twins prospects racked up on Tuesday night!

    TRANSACTIONS

    • The Minnesota Twins recalled RHP Beau Burrows from St. Paul in advance of their game with the Detroit Tigers
    • LHP Lewis Thorpe was sent to the FCL Twins on a rehab assignment from the Saints.
    • After signing with the Twins on July 20th, LHP Chris Nunn was assigned to the Wichita Wind Surge.
    • The Wind Surge also received LHP Sean Gilmartin from the Complex. 
    • The Cedar Rapids Kernels released IF Yeltsin Encarnacion.
    • The Twins released RHP Donny Breek from the FCL Twins. 

    SAINTS SENTINEL
    Indianapolis 1, St. Paul 16
    Box Score

    This one was seemingly over before the first inning finished as the Saints sent 11 men to plate in the opening inning, and eight of them crossed home plate. Rob Refsnyder and Jimmy Kerrigan did the bulk of that damage with home runs, while Jose Miranda and Drew Maggi added doubles in the onslaught.

    They continued the run parade in the second inning, tacking on five more thanks to a 2-run double from Ben Rortvedt, an RBI single from JT Riddle, and the second home run of the game from Kerrigan.

    Starting pitcher Chandler Shepherd handled it from there, holding Indianapolis to just two hits and one walk in seven innings pitched. He struck out four and picked up his fifth win of the season. Robinson Leyer allowed the only Indianapolis run in the eighth on a solo homer and struck out one. Ian Gibaut finished off the blowout with a scoreless ninth, walking one and striking out one.

    Six of the nine hitters in the St. Paul lineup collected multiple hits, with Miranda (3-for-5, 2 R, 2B) and Kerrigan (3-for-4, 2 R, 2 HR, 5 RBI) leading the way with three each. Maggi had two doubles on the game, and Mark Contreras continued his strong July (.957 OPS in 16 games) with a double and scored three runs. In addition to the sixteen total hits as a team, all nine batters scored at least one run, and they combined to go 8-for-14 with runners in scoring position and left only three men on base for the game. 

    WIND SURGE WISDOM
    Wichita 18, NW Arkansas 8
    Box Score

    In a box score quirk I don’t recall seeing very often, if ever, the Wind Surge managed to score at least one run in every single inning of this game, including five of them with a crooked number. That resulted in another blowout victory as they improved to 42-31 on the season.


    Like their older brothers in triple-A, each hitter in the lineup scored at least one run, though Wichita one-upped their peers with seven hitters collecting multiple hits on the game.

    They were led by Spencer Steer who racked up five hits on the night, including three doubles and a triple. He also scored four runs and drove in four more. 


    Chris Williams wasn’t that far behind, finishing 4-for-6 with a double, home run, two runs scored, and five RBI. 


    B.J. Boyd (3-for-6, R, 2B, 4 RBI) and Leobaldo Cabrera (3-for-6, 3 R, HR, RBI, K) had three hits on the night as well. Trey Cabbage also hit his sixth  home run with Wichita and 15th overall this season. With 23 hits as a team, you have to open the box score link above to appreciate how dominant the Wind Surge lineup was throughout this game.

    Chris Vallimont made the start and wasn’t as sharp as you’d like in such a game, but you don’t need to be great when your offense piles up runs as they did. He went four innings and allowed five runs (four earned) on five hits and three walks while racking up six strikeouts. Cole Sands came on for the fifth and went the next three innings, allowing two runs on two hits and a walk, striking out four.

    The recently-signed Chris Nunn made his organizational debut and went 1 2/3 innings. He worked around a walk with a pair of strikeouts for a scoreless eighth inning, but after three singles in the ninth, he was replaced by Joe Kuzia for the final out, a strikeout to punctuate the dominant win.

    KERNELS NUGGETS
    Cedar Rapids 5, Wisconsin 2
    Box Score

    Righthanded pitcher Louie Varland made his third start with the Kernels since his promotion and kept his ERA at a clean 0.00 in the "Midwest League" with another five strong innings. He allowed three hits, walked three, and struck out three while throwing 80 pitches (49 for strikes).

    While he was on the mound the Cedar Rapids lineup built him a 4-0 lead, mainly due to the loud bats of Edouard Julien and Matt Wallner, who each launched a home run in their three-run third inning.


    After Varland’s exit Breckin Williams (2/3 IP, 2 H, ER, 2 BB, 2 K) and Erik Manoah Jr. (1 1/3 IP, ER, BB, 2 K) let the Timber Rattlers close the gap to 4-2, but Zach Featherstone righted the ship with two scoreless innings to close out the game. He walked two, struck out five, and picked up his fifth save of the season in the process.

    Wallner added an insurance run in the top of the eighth with his second home run of the game that made the final score of 5-2. Since his return from the injured list, Wallner has gone 8-for-22 (.363) with four home runs in six games, and his OPS is up to 1.103 on the season with the Kernels.

    In addition to Wallner, Cedar Rapids got multiple hits from Jair Camargo (2-for-4, K) and Michael Helman (2-for-4, R, SB) in the victory.

    MUSSEL MATTERS
    Fort Myers 7, Clearwater 1
    Box Score

    The Mighty Mussels, like the Saints above, got the scoring started early in this one, putting up three runs in each of the first and second innings.

    In the first inning, it was a three-run blast from Will Holland, his sixth of the year, that got them going. In the second it was an RBI single from Ruben Santana, a sac fly off the bat of Misael Urbina, and a solo homer from Keoni Cavaco to account for the early 6-0 lead.

    That was more than enough for the Fort Myers pitching staff, as starter Sawyer Gipson-Long held the Clearwater lineup to just three hits in seven innings. His lone run allowed was unearned, and he struck out nine compared to just one walk on the night. At one point he retired 11 men in a row and also finished his outing strong, striking out the last two hitters he faced.

    Burnsville, MN native Aaron Rozek finished the final two innings by retiring all six hitters he faced, including one strikeout, to seal the victory.
    The Mussels got multiple hits in the game from Holland (2-for-5, R, HR, 3 RBI, 2 K) and Santana (2-for-4, R, 2B, RBI, K)

    COMPLEX CHRONICLES
    FCL Orioles Black 7, FCL Twins 6
    Box Score

    The FCL Twins fought back from a 7-0 deficit but fell short, leaving the tying run 90-feet away in the bottom of the ninth. This was after Kala’i Rosario delivered a two-RBI triple in the bottom of the ninth that closed the score to 7-6 with just one out.

    LaRon Smith got the Twins on the board in the bottom of the fourth with a two-run blast, his fourth of the season. Alexander Pena delivered a two-run double in the seventh that made the score 7-4. Smith (2-for-4, R, HR, 2 RBI, BB, K, SB), Pena (2-for-4, R, 2B, 2 RBI, BB, K), and Rubel Cespedes (2-for-2, 2 R, BB, SB) each collected two hits on the game.

    Lewis Thorpe was sent to the FCL Twins on a rehab assignment and started this one. He finished 2 2/3 innings, allowing two earned runs on three hits while striking out three. Wilker Reyes surrendered the bulk of the damage in his 3 1/3 innings, being charged with five runs on seven hits and three walks. He struck out three and recovered from the initial barrage to hold the Orioles scoreless in the fifth and sixth innings. Ramon Pineda delivered a scoreless seventh inning, and Samuel Perez finished the game for the Twins with a pair of one-two-three innings, including three K’s in the eighth.

    TWINS DAILY MINOR LEAGUE PLAYERS OF THE DAY

    Pitcher of the Day – Sawyer Gipson-Long, Fort Myers Mighty Mussels (W, 7 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, BB, 9 K)
    Hitter of the Day – Spencer Steer, Wichita Wind Surge (5-for-6, 4 R, 3 2B, 3B, 4 RBI, K)

    PROSPECT SUMMARY

    Please take note that we have finished our midseason update, so there is a new list! Here is a look at how the Twins Daily Midseason Top 20 Twins Prospects performed:
     
     #1 – Royce Lewis (Rehab) – Out for season (torn ACL)
    #2 – Jhoan Duran (St. Paul) – Injured List (elbow strain)
    #3 – Jordan Balazovic (Wichita) – Did not pitch
    #4 – Matt Canterino (Cedar Rapids) – Injured List (right elbow strain)
    #5 – Jose Miranda (St. Paul) – 3-for-5, 2 R, 2B
    #6 – Keoni Cavaco (Fort Myers) – 1-for-4, 2 R, HR, RBI
    #7 – Gilberto Celestino (Minnesota) – 0-for-2, K
    #8 – Josh Winder (St. Paul) – Did not pitch
    #9 – Aaron Sabato (Fort Myers) – Did not play
    #10 – Matt Wallner (Cedar Rapids) – 3-for-4, 2 R, 2 HR, 2 RBI, K
    #11 – Blayne Enlow (Cedar Rapids) – Out for Season (Tommy John surgery)
    #12 – Bailey Ober (Minnesota) – Did not pitch
    #13 – Cole Sands Cole Sands (Wichita) – 3 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, BB, 4 K
    #14 – Brent Rooker (Minnesota) – 3-for-4, R, 2B
    #15 – Misael Urbina (Fort Myers) – 1-for-4, RBI
    #16 – Spencer Steer (Wichita) – 5-for-6, 4 R, 3 2B, 3B, 4 RBI, K
    #17 – Wander Javier (Cedar Rapids) – 1-for-4, 2 K
    #18 – Alerick Soularie (Complex) – N/A (foot injury)
    #19 – Edwar Colina (Rehab) – Injured List (elbow)
    #20 – Chris Vallimont (Wichita) – 4 IP, 5 H, 5 R (4 ER), 3 BB, 6 K

    WEDNESDAY’S PROBABLE STARTERS

    Indianapolis @ St. Paul (7:05PM CST) – LHP Charlie Barnes (5-3, 4.02 ERA)
    Wichita @ NW Arkansas (7:05PM CST) – RHP Austin Schulfer (2-7, 4.28 ERA)
    Cedar Rapids @ Wisconsin (7:05PM CST) – RHP Jon Olsen (1-3, 3.40 ERA)
    Fort Myers @ Clearwater (11:00AM CST) – LHP Brent Headrick (3-4, 3.44 ERA)
     
    Please feel free to ask questions and discuss Tuesday’s games!
     

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    It is unbelievable, almost, but the Saints scored 16 runs and weren't the highest scoring team in the organization last night as Wichita put up 18!!

    Miranda gets three hits, which is almost becoming the norm.  But what many of you may not have noticed is with a two hit game Rortvedt is now batting .300 for the Saints.  Yes, not a lot of at bats, but this kid would likely have begun his season at Wichita had the Twins catchers not been so beat up.  Yes, his hitting numbers were terrible for the Twins, but after not playing at all last year and then beginning this year with the Twins that was to be expected.  That experience also helped him now that he is back where he should be in his development track.  Have always believed he would have a solid bat to go with his top notch defense.

    Also nice games by the Mussels and Kernels with Varland throwing another five shutout innings.   With another three hits and two round trippers, is it time for Wallner to get in his car and take that seven hour drive down I-35 to Wichita?  

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    20 minutes ago, roger said:

    It is unbelievable, almost, but the Saints scored 16 runs and weren't the highest scoring team in the organization last night as Wichita put up 18!!

    Miranda gets three hits, which is almost becoming the norm.  But what many of you may not have noticed is with a two hit game Rortvedt is now batting .300 for the Saints.  Yes, not a lot of at bats, but this kid would likely have begun his season at Wichita had the Twins catchers not been so beat up.  Yes, his hitting numbers were terrible for the Twins, but after not playing at all last year and then beginning this year with the Twins that was to be expected.  That experience also helped him now that he is back where he should be in his development track.  Have always believed he would have a solid bat to go with his top notch defense.

    Also nice games by the Mussels and Kernels with Varland throwing another five shutout innings.   With another three hits and two round trippers, is it time for Wallner to get in his car and take that seven hour drive down I-35 to Wichita?  

    I too have been hoping for Rortvedt's bat to develop.  His defense is great and he will stick at the MLB level.  A little better offense and he is really something.  The question is  ... How do we handle the roster with Garver looking like he can sustain his offense closer to 2019 than 2020.  Do we trade Jeffers or do we use Garver at DH / 1B and catcher?  Obviously, we don't need to make any decisions now. 

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    6 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    I too have been hoping for Rortvedt's bat to develop.  His defense is great and he will stick at the MLB level.  A little better offense and he is really something.  The question is  ... How do we handle the roster with Garver looking like he can sustain his offense closer to 2019 than 2020.  Do we trade Jeffers or do we use Garver at DH / 1B and catcher?  Obviously, we don't need to make any decisions now. 

    I think Jeffers needs to be moved.  Garver can be one of the best hitting catchers in baseball.  Jeffers hit ok last summer, but has been terrible this year.  His D is a bit better than Garver, but I would prefer keeping Mitch and his power in the lineup 90 games a year.  Problem is that Jeffers needs to go on a hot streak for a month so the Twins can get something in return.  But he is also young and maybe they can get something over the winter.

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    52 minutes ago, roger said:

     With another three hits and two round trippers, is it time for Wallner to get in his car and take that seven hour drive down I-35 to Wichita?  

    I have given Wallner a lot of grief mainly about his underlying numbers (BABIP & K rate) but he just keeps getting hits.  He looks even better after coming back than he did early in the season.  I think they should move him up as well.  See what he can do at a higher level because to this point he has dominated this level before and after his wrist injury.

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    Varland yet to give up run after 3 starts at A+. Pulling for Louie, hope he keeps it up. Watched last night's game on MiLB TV, he needs to work on control and his secondary pitches., relies on fastball too much. He can overpower batters in A ball with fastball but as he moves up will need additional pitches.

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    56 minutes ago, roger said:

    I think Jeffers needs to be moved.  Garver can be one of the best hitting catchers in baseball.  Jeffers hit ok last summer, but has been terrible this year.  His D is a bit better than Garver, but I would prefer keeping Mitch and his power in the lineup 90 games a year.  Problem is that Jeffers needs to go on a hot streak for a month so the Twins can get something in return.  But he is also young and maybe they can get something over the winter.

    I'd keep them both. And Rortvedt. Garver has 2 arb years left (I believe) that will take him through his age 32 season. Jeffers should have 5 years left and Rortvedt 6 if my memory serves on their service time. Not a ton of catchers staying super productive beyond age 32, especially offensively which is where all of Garver's worth is. I think it sets them up well to have Rortvedt up and down as injury fill in the next year+ while he works on his bat in the minors then as Garver moves on Jeffers and Rortvedt provide a solid catcher tandem. Or if Garver is still mashing you keep him around as a DH/1B as he ages.

    And depending on what the Twins do with the DH position moving forward they could carry all 3 at the same time. I'd prefer a 12 man pitching staff with 14 bats, but that's a different conversation for a different day. But having 3 catchers on the roster allows for you to pinch hit for Jeffers or Rortvedt late in games without fear of injury causing you to put in an emergency catcher. Rotating Garver through DH/1B/C allows for a lot of flexibility in the lineup and keeping him in there more often. That's not so much of an option if the Twins go fulltime DH again, obviously.

    All that said...it all goes out the window if/when the service time rules change with the new CBA. But that won't happen til the offseason so I can backpedal after that. But catcher is a hard position to fill so keeping multiple MLB quality guys around would be my move.

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    I am getting cautiously optimistic for Rooker. Watching his stats while with the Saints was frustrating (for us and I am sure for him). He seems to be looking better since rejoining the Twins. It sure would be a bonus if he was able to at least partially fill the whole left with the Cruz trade.

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    44 minutes ago, 4twinsJA said:

    Varland yet to give up run after 3 starts at A+. Pulling for Louie, hope he keeps it up. Watched last night's game on MiLB TV, he needs to work on control and his secondary pitches., relies on fastball too much. He can overpower batters in A ball with fastball but as he moves up will need additional pitches.

    I had the same reaction after watching a couple of Varland's starts.  He could make it as a RP with his reliance of the FB but his ability to make it as a SP at the major league level will depend on the development of his secondary pitched.  Of course, that's what they are supposed to do in Milb.  

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    46 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    I'd keep them both. And Rortvedt. Garver has 2 arb years left (I believe) that will take him through his age 32 season. Jeffers should have 5 years left and Rortvedt 6 if my memory serves on their service time. Not a ton of catchers staying super productive beyond age 32, especially offensively which is where all of Garver's worth is. I think it sets them up well to have Rortvedt up and down as injury fill in the next year+ while he works on his bat in the minors then as Garver moves on Jeffers and Rortvedt provide a solid catcher tandem. Or if Garver is still mashing you keep him around as a DH/1B as he ages.

    And depending on what the Twins do with the DH position moving forward they could carry all 3 at the same time. I'd prefer a 12 man pitching staff with 14 bats, but that's a different conversation for a different day. But having 3 catchers on the roster allows for you to pinch hit for Jeffers or Rortvedt late in games without fear of injury causing you to put in an emergency catcher. Rotating Garver through DH/1B/C allows for a lot of flexibility in the lineup and keeping him in there more often. That's not so much of an option if the Twins go fulltime DH again, obviously.

    All that said...it all goes out the window if/when the service time rules change with the new CBA. But that won't happen til the offseason so I can backpedal after that. But catcher is a hard position to fill so keeping multiple MLB quality guys around would be my move.

    This is what I was thinking when I posed the question.  They could make it work with all 3.  They just already have a lot of guys looking to get ABs at 1B, especially if Donaldson's defense continues to decline. 

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    2 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    This is what I was thinking when I posed the question.  They could make it work with all 3.  They just already have a lot of guys looking to get ABs at 1B, especially if Donaldson's defense continues to decline. 

    For sure. I don't see a lot coming behind Rortvedt in the system so think they can bounce him back and forth as needed for the next couple years until Donaldson is gone and Garver really shouldn't be behind the plate. If they had another youngster coming I'd be more open to moving one of them, but their catching depth is shot. May be the only reason Tortuga is brought back next year, honestly. I'd honestly DFA Sano to make room at 1B/DH before I moved one of their 3 catchers simply because of the lack of depth at C. Keep those 3 for relatively cheap and spend the money it'd take to bring in another Castro type elsewhere.

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    20 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

    For sure. I don't see a lot coming behind Rortvedt in the system so think they can bounce him back and forth as needed for the next couple years until Donaldson is gone and Garver really shouldn't be behind the plate. If they had another youngster coming I'd be more open to moving one of them, but their catching depth is shot. May be the only reason Tortuga is brought back next year, honestly. I'd honestly DFA Sano to make room at 1B/DH before I moved one of their 3 catchers simply because of the lack of depth at C. Keep those 3 for relatively cheap and spend the money it'd take to bring in another Castro type elsewhere.

    I'd describe this as their minor league catcher depth being pretty lacking. But Garver isn't a FA until 2024, and Jeffers/Rortvedt/Astudillo are still all pre-arbitration. They're fine at catcher for the next 3+ years at the MLB level and Garver is proving to be an elite hitter at the position.

    For fun, trade chatter around Berrios with the Padres has Luis Campusano as a potential fit for part of the return (with Mackenzie Gore - who has had the yips for over a year now). Does he interest you at catcher if they were to deal Berrios? Personally, I'd want C.J. Abrams in a return from SD (that might be about all they get then, though) and don't think they need another catcher ready for the bigs, but Campusano is highly rated.

     

     

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    2 minutes ago, Steve Lein said:

    I'd describe this as their minor league catcher depth being pretty lacking. But Garver isn't a FA until 2024, and Jeffers/Rortvedt/Astudillo are still all pre-arbitration. They're fine at catcher for the next 3+ years at the MLB level and Garver is proving to be an elite hitter at the position.

    For fun, trade chatter around Berrios with the Padres has Luis Campusano as a potential fit for part of the return (with Mackenzie Gore - who has had the yips for over a year now). Does he interest you at catcher if they were to deal Berrios? Personally, I'd want C.J. Abrams in a return from SD (that might be about all they get then, though) and don't think they need another catcher ready for the bigs, but Campusano is highly rated.

     

     

    I can't see them dealing either of those players....but if you threw in Rortverdt, you might be able to get Campusano as part of a deal. Gore? LOVED him his draft year, but he has the yips for sure. Not certain he's fixable at this point.....it has been 2-3 years now.

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    1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I can't see them dealing either of those players....but if you threw in Rortverdt, you might be able to get Campusano as part of a deal. Gore? LOVED him his draft year, but he has the yips for sure. Not certain he's fixable at this point.....it has been 2-3 years now.

    One thing on Abrams that teams trying to trade with SD have going for them, is the Padres have Fernando Tatis Jr, Jake Cronenworth, and Manny Machado in their infield. Is kind of a Yoan Moncada situation for me. Nobody thought he could be traded when he was, either. Twins maybe have to throw in something more than Berrios for him, but SD is trying to win a WS and they have the existing core for that already. Abrams, as highly rated as he is, isn't going to push them over.

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    Just now, Steve Lein said:

    One thing on Abrams that teams trying to trade with SD have going for them, is the Padres have Fernando Tatis Jr, Jake Cronenworth, and Manny Machado in their infield. Is kind of a Yoan Moncada situation for me. Nobody thought he could be traded when he was, either. Twins maybe have to throw in something more than Berrios for him, but SD is trying to win a WS and they have the existing core for that already. Abrams, as highly rated as he is, isn't going to push them over.

    They've traded for A LOT of guys the last two years, and I don't think they've given up one guy in their top 10 list......but yes, it is possible they would deal him.

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    33 minutes ago, Steve Lein said:

    I'd describe this as their minor league catcher depth being pretty lacking. But Garver isn't a FA until 2024, and Jeffers/Rortvedt/Astudillo are still all pre-arbitration. They're fine at catcher for the next 3+ years at the MLB level and Garver is proving to be an elite hitter at the position.

    For fun, trade chatter around Berrios with the Padres has Luis Campusano as a potential fit for part of the return (with Mackenzie Gore - who has had the yips for over a year now). Does he interest you at catcher if they were to deal Berrios? Personally, I'd want C.J. Abrams in a return from SD (that might be about all they get then, though) and don't think they need another catcher ready for the bigs, but Campusano is highly rated.

     

     

    I agree with you I don't see Campusano as something the Twins "need badly" and Abrams would be,  With Gore having so many issues I wouldn't want to trade my sure thing starting pitcher for a guy that looks like he might be cooked.  That is too much risk for me.  If the Twins could work a deal around Abrams I could see that as we need a starting SS ASAP and he could be a good one.

    That being said I think he is the one player they won't or don't want to deal.  They had no one good at second so went and got Frazier.  I think that is a stop gap for them as they could put Abrams there in the next year or two and he is a player that could spell Tatis and can play center field for them if needed and cover 2nd or third.  Also if Tatis is out due to injury they don't lose a beat with Abrams there.  Well they probably lose something with the bat but you know what I mean.  I think he is the one guy that is essentially untouchable which is why I don't see a Berrios trade with the Padres.  They don't have the high quality pitching prospect's we would want and they don't have a good up the middle guy we can get beyond Abrams who they won't deal.  I'd move on to LA or Toronto they both match up better IMO.

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    1 hour ago, Major League Ready said:

    I had the same reaction after watching a couple of Varland's starts.  He could make it as a RP with his reliance of the FB but his ability to make it as a SP at the major league level will depend on the development of his secondary pitched.  Of course, that's what they are supposed to do in Milb.  

    I think if you can turn a 15th round pick into a MLB reliever, that is a huge, huge success... But yes, they should absolutely keep him starting 1.) to work in and out of many more situations, and 2.) get more in-game reps on those secondary pitches. And then you hope.  If you can turn a 15th round pick into an MLB starter, that is incredible! 

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    43 minutes ago, Dman said:

    That being said I think he is the one player they won't or don't want to deal.  They had no one good at second so went and got Frazier.  I think that is a stop gap for them as they could put Abrams there in the next year or two and he is a player that could spell Tatis and can play center field for them if needed and cover 2nd or third.  Also if Tatis is out due to injury they don't lose a beat with Abrams there.  Well they probably lose something with the bat but you know what I mean.  I think he is the one guy that is essentially untouchable which is why I don't see a Berrios trade with the Padres.  They don't have the high quality pitching prospect's we would want and they don't have a good up the middle guy we can get beyond Abrams who they won't deal.  I'd move on to LA or Toronto they both match up better IMO.

    Jake Cronenworth, also a 2021 All-Star at 2B, begs to differ about they have no one good there. They're getting Eric Hosmer off of 1B with the Frazier move (Cronenworth will play there now). Frazier is also under team control through 2023. You could be right Abrams is untouchable, but not for the reasons you're citing, IMO.

    Definitely don't disagree about the lack of pitching prospects the Twins should want from the Padres, but Abrams would be an awesome get. Is fun to prognosticate!

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    1 hour ago, Steve Lein said:

    I'd describe this as their minor league catcher depth being pretty lacking. But Garver isn't a FA until 2024, and Jeffers/Rortvedt/Astudillo are still all pre-arbitration. They're fine at catcher for the next 3+ years at the MLB level and Garver is proving to be an elite hitter at the position.

    For fun, trade chatter around Berrios with the Padres has Luis Campusano as a potential fit for part of the return (with Mackenzie Gore - who has had the yips for over a year now). Does he interest you at catcher if they were to deal Berrios? Personally, I'd want C.J. Abrams in a return from SD (that might be about all they get then, though) and don't think they need another catcher ready for the bigs, but Campusano is highly rated.

     

     

    I'd certainly take Campusano back, but agree with Dman that I don't really like the Padres system as a match for the Twins. They could certainly sell a Gore and Campusano return for Berrios being a great get, but Gore is free falling down rankings and doesn't seem to be the same guy anymore. Could the Twins (or another org) fix him? Always possible, but I'm sure the Pads are still trying to sell him as a top 5 pitching prospect in all of baseball and he isn't that right now. 

    As for the Twins catcher depth and adding Campusano to it I like the idea, but wouldn't be my priority. I like Jeffers and Rortvedt, but I don't think anyone would argue there isn't room for improvement there if you can make it. I question how much longer Garver will be a catcher as he gets into his 30s. He's already bad defensively, and if he's going to be one of their better bats the next couple years you'd want him to be in the lineup more than he would be as strictly a catcher. I like the trio, but they certainly need an influx of minor league talent. I'd just focus on SS (again agree with Dman that Toronto is a better system fit as I'd like any of their top 3 SS prospects) over catcher. That trio being around for 2 more years with 2 of them around for the next 5 gives me enough comfort to prioritize SS as we are severely lacking in true SS talent on the horizon (I think Lewis and Polanco can survive there, but are better in CF and 2B respectively).

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    4 minutes ago, Steve Lein said:

    Jake Cronenworth, also a 2021 All-Star at 2B, begs to differ about they have no one good there. They're getting Eric Hosmer off of 1B with the Frazier move (Cronenworth will play there now). Frazier is also under team control through 2023. You could be right Abrams is untouchable, but not for the reasons you're citing, IMO.

    Definitely don't disagree about the lack of pitching prospects the Twins should want from the Padres, but Abrams would be an awesome get. Is fun to prognosticate!

    Oops I see I missed him looking at the roster.  Maybe they can move Abrams given what they currently have. His name has just been silent in talks so far so was trying to find reasons why.

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    1 minute ago, Dman said:

    Oops I see I missed him looking at the roster.  Maybe they can move Abrams given what they currently have. His name has just been silent in talks so far so was trying to find reasons why.

    I think Abrams will be top 5 on every major prospect ranking that comes out after the deadline. Top 1 or 2 on some. Don't see any way the Padres move him. He'll be their CFer of the future if they want Tatis at SS. Or Tatis will move to CF if he's open to that. Either way I don't think there's any chance the Padres trade him for anyone currently available at the deadline. Him and Tatis are their future up the middle.

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    1 minute ago, chpettit19 said:

    I think Abrams will be top 5 on every major prospect ranking that comes out after the deadline. Top 1 or 2 on some. Don't see any way the Padres move him. He'll be their CFer of the future if they want Tatis at SS. Or Tatis will move to CF if he's open to that. Either way I don't think there's any chance the Padres trade him for anyone currently available at the deadline. Him and Tatis are their future up the middle.

    Agreed. 100%.

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    2 hours ago, Seth Stohs said:

    I think if you can turn a 15th round pick into a MLB reliever, that is a huge, huge success... But yes, they should absolutely keep him starting 1.) to work in and out of many more situations, and 2.) get more in-game reps on those secondary pitches. And then you hope.  If you can turn a 15th round pick into an MLB starter, that is incredible! 

    It's pretty common to see a pitcher really elevate their ceiling by adding or even improving a secondary pitch.  I would agree that it would be a win to get a decent RP in the 15th round.  However, we should all be intrigued by the possibility of Varland becoming a starter.  He reminds me a little or Lance Lynn and wouldn't be great if he ended up as good as Lance Lynn. 

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    Great to see the excellent performances by a multitude of players last night, but in this complete FAILURE of a season at the MLB level, I would like to take a minute to call for the promotion------to the big league level for 2 players, that IMO, absolutely deserve a September call up.

    #1  Drew Maggi- 32/ INF at Saint Paul

    Has 3383 ABs in his professional career--all in the minors.  Maggi was the 447th pick by Pittsburgh in the 2010 draft. After a slot start, Maggi has raked throughout July in his 73 ABs with 9 HRs, 20 RBI, a .288 average and an excellent .358 OBP.

    #2  BJ Boyd- 28/ OF-DH at Wichita

    Has 2867 AB's in his professional career--like Maggi, all in the minors.  Boyd was drafted in the 4th round in 2012 by the A's. He has put up a solid year at Wichita hitting .286 in 175 ABs.  Has 5 HRs to go along with 34 RBI.  Also a strong OBP (.362) and a solid OPS of .802.

    Yes, I know neither of these players has a "future" (2022 and beyond) with the Twins, BUT aren't these these 2 guys the type of players that should be rewarded for their long time desire, enthusiasm and grit to keep grinding?  

    I do realize rosters are limited in September to only 28 players, but considering we will be playing ZERO meaningful games by then-----I found zero downside in calling these guys up to "the Show"  as a reward for their hard work and dedication for so many years.

     

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    Palacios went 2/4 as well. I really think it's time for him to get a promotion to AAA as he's risen out of the doldrums recently and is back to hitting with an .802 OPS over his last 8 games. I'd like to see if he can keep it up at AAA since he's apparently now the only potential options the Twins might view as a shortstop in the system for the next couple years considering the Twins are apparently attempting to turn Gordon into a center fielder?

    Trading Rortvedt would be a move that would leave the Twins without a 3rd MLB caliber every day catcher on the roster. He's got 3 options left and he's a potential starting MLB catcher in the future with excellent defensive ratings. Rortvedt was also drafted as a bat first catcher so it's expected he has some tools to work with and there's a fairly decent MiLB track record when it comes to being potentially an average MLB level bat. He looked outright overmatched in his time with the Twins, but that'll give him a great idea of where he needs to improve and time in AAA will allow him to work on his game. Garver misses a lot of time so having only 1 good backup option on the roster is tough.

    Keeping Wallner in Ft Myers this long seemed a bit conservative given how long he's been in the system and considering how he was drafted. Wallner was a comp round draft pick out of college as a junior and it's technically his 5th professional season so if he's not ready for AA pitching by now, it's probably not going to happen. Hopefully, the Twins move him up a level so they can better evaluate his potential future. His big numbers in Ft Myers reflect a wRC+ of 189 so far. Nothing left to prove considering his age, draft position and level of experience.

    Varland's performance is pretty exciting for a dark horse candidate to be a starter at the MLB level. He's already exceeded a lot of expectations by getting it done at Fort Myers before moving up to Cedar Rapids. If he pitches continues to pitch this well the rest of the season, I could see him starting next year at AA.

    Love to see the home run by Cavaco considering his lack of power has really held him back at the plate. I've looked into his numbers in fielding though... and wow. I think the Twins need to make some major coaching changes in the low minors. Yet again, another horrible fielding shortstop. Cavaco is literally the worst shortstop in the league with the highest error rate and lowest RF/9. At .900 fielding percent, that means he's booting/air mailing 1 in 10 balls that come his way and it contributes to a dreadful RF/9 of 3.01. Utterly no excuse for that level of incompetence.

    Compare Cavaco's fielding percent and RF/9 to his peers.

    • .900, 3.01 - Cavaco (a20, 2019, 1st round)
    • .920, 4.07 - Winn (a19, 2020, 2nd round)
    • .932, 3.52 - Martinez (a19, 2018, Dominican Republic)
    • .915, 3.56 - Escotto (a19, 2018, Dominican Republic)
    • .960, 3.89 - Nunez (a20, 2019, 2nd round)
    • .913, 3.18 - Garcia (a20, 2017, Dominican Republic)
    • .933, 3.50 - Johnson (a22, 2019, 4th Round)
    • .977, 5.22 - Fryman (a23, 2016, 37th Round)
    • .951, 3.33 - Volpe (a20, 2019, 1st Round)
    • .944, 3.40 - Workman (a21, 2017, 14th Round)

    Most of Cavaco's peers are as young or younger with the same or less college level or professional experience. Cavaco sits dead last in defense. Why are Twins shortstops incapable of developing defensively?

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