Terry Ryan last appearance on Inside Twins

[old nurse]

If your plan is to have everything go right with no margin for error....I call that poor planning. I only would excuse the Worley and Hicks issues personally. Plouffe's history was not on our side that he would get better. Ditto Willingham and Doumit.

 

Everything you listed was very much forseeable as problems. In fact, many here posted exactly those concerns prior to the season. This wasn't some kind of disaster of bad luck - this was a roster with limited talent that was relying too much on hope rather than depth of actual talent.

 

I though it was a little more obvious that the response I gave you that I had a bit of sarcasm to go with the answer. Poor planning? The free agent pitching thread has been beaten so dead and thin there is nothing left of the horse for the crows to pick at. A little worse was a reasonable expectation for Doumit and Willingam yes, utterly horrid seasons,no. Yes you can claim many saw Plouffe would be what he was. Alternatives? About as viable as hoping last June and July was not a fluke. With what was available to add, and having more of an eye for the future needs with what was subtractable Ryan did what he could do. Ryan could have done better, he could have done worse.

[Mr. Brooks]

A season of IFS. IF Plouffe plays nearer to the player he was last June and July. If Diamond, Willingham and Doumit perform like last year. If Hicks is league average at hitting. If Worley was the pitcher he was in Philli. If the middle infield becomes functional. If Morneau regains more of his old form. If Correia pitches like normal. If Pelfrey is what he was if NY. If all those ifs were true, the Twins could have been a .500 team.

They weren't.

I think Ryan hoped the pitchers added and Diamond would be an aggregate league average pitcher. He hoped the players maintained or stepped up their level of play. Dozier has, no one else did. No rookies stepped forward. Hence, the Twins became what they are.

 

Your argument only holds water if Gardy and Anderson are let go.

Ryan doesn't get to claim his players underachieved if he is just going to bring back the field staff who is in charge of getting players to play to their capabilities.

[old nurse]

Your argument only holds water if Gardy and Anderson are let go.

Ryan doesn't get to claim his players underachieved if he is just going to bring back the field staff who is in charge of getting players to play to their capabilities.

 

As an opinion on what Ryan may have thought it doesn't need anyone to be fired or retained. If he claims the players underachieved it should be on the players that they underachieved. Nobody ever said it was because of Gardenhire when players have career years, why should it be on him and the staff when they don't?

[TheLeviathan]

I though it was a little more obvious that the response I gave you that I had a bit of sarcasm to go with the answer.

 

Considering the opinion didn't fall far from your typical position, how was it obvious you were being sarcastic exactly?

 

A little worse was a reasonable expectation for Doumit and Willingam yes, utterly horrid seasons,no.

 

How about predicting Willy to be hurt and Doumit to slump. Those were both very much in their career histories.

 

The commentary here has nothing to do with whether Ryan could or could not have done more. It has everything to do with him evaluating the roster he was offering and his belief they could play .500. That has nothing to do with FA or trades or anything else but entirely with a baffling conclusion after evaluating his roster.

[ThePuck]

Considering the opinion didn't fall far from your typical position, how was it obvious you were being sarcastic exactly?

 

 

 

How about predicting Willy to be hurt and Doumit to slump. Those were both very much in their career histories.

 

The commentary here has nothing to do with whether Ryan could or could not have done more. It has everything to do with him evaluating the roster he was offering and his belief they could play .500. That has nothing to do with FA or trades or anything else but entirely with a baffling conclusion after evaluating his roster.

 

With the rotation Ryan put together, there was no way in the world we could achieve .500. The loss of our #1 and #2 hitters didn't help. Ryan is trying to sell the golden gate bridge...and some are trying to buy it. I just hope Ryan doesn't truly believe they had a shot at .500.

[jokin]

I though it was a little more obvious that the response I gave you that I had a bit of sarcasm to go with the answer..........

 

and having more of an eye for the future needs with what was subtractable........Ryan could have done better, he could have done worse.

 

I wonder if you could give everyone an advance heads-up....is the above-bolded yet another "obvious bit of sarcasm"?.....because I'm having a hard time seeing it as anything but that....or....really bad rationalization.

[jokin]

FWIW- The mood around Twinsland isn't going to get any better any time soon. Watching the local sports here this evening, Gardy is appearing on SportsSunday, apparently with a contract extension in his back pocket.....that is sure to get the phones ringing for season ticket renewals come tomorrow.

 

Also, if anyone has access to The Sports Show this evening......Reusse went off on one of his classic, out of control rants......without naming (managerial) names, lambasting both the FO and the Field Manager on treating the players so softly and demanding so little from them and in summation, having a complete lack of any sense of urgency, need for radical change or evident awareness of the level of ineptitude demonstrated by the personnel on this year's club.

[Marta Shearing]

Both of you are reported. Just kidding.

[Marta Shearing]

Did they really extend gardy?

[jokin]

Did they really extend gardy?

 

Mike Max reported it as a rumor on the 10PM sports-cast. Gardy will be up shortly on Sports Sunday to elaborate on that rumor.

[Kwak]

Not that it lets him off the hook for his ineptitude, but Ryan is probably taking heat on purpose to shield ownership. That's probably why Ryan was put back in the GM role to begin with - slash payroll, while using the credibility he built up back in the day to cover for the Pohlads' sucking tens or hundreds of millions out of the organization.

 

This fits neatly with Pohlad's bizarre statement recently about being willing to spend in the short-term, which of course was meaningless because top free agents rarely agree to one-year deals. And even that was probably not true, given what Ryan is publicly saying.

 

Every actual indication we have is that the Twins will try to rebuild on the cheap, and if that doesn't work, they will just accept losing, whether its for 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, etc. The Marlins have shown how the revenue sharing system makes a strategy like that viable despite the reduction in ticket sales, merchandise, etc.

 

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