What Derek Shelton Learned in Pittsburgh Now Matters in Minnesota

[RpR]

12 hours ago, IndianaTwin said:

Technically true, though the three you added averaged less than 300 plate appearances per season and totaled 0.9 bWAR among their six seasons. On average, each started 61 games per season those two years, with none of them starting more than 90 games in either year.

The three of them frankly contributed more to the seasons between the two World Series than they did to the championship teams. In signing Pags and Davis and calling up Knoblauch in '91, the team knew they couldn't be successful with Bush, Larkin and Newman as regulars.

You're opinion.

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12 hours ago, old nurse said:

The reserve clause made it so a team could stay together.. The player had 2 choices. Play for the team that owned their rights or retire. Play for what they pay you, or retire.  Battey retired after the 67 season, Zoilo was picked by the padres from the Dodgers in the expansion draft  Rollins was selected by the  Seattle Pilots in the expansion draft  

Blame AI, for any errors. - Although - I should have remembered the Twins had Leo Cardenas at the latter point. One of the best glove SS the Twins ever had.

[old nurse]

38 minutes ago, RpR said:

Blame AI, for any errors. - Although - I should have remembered the Twin had Leo Cardenas at the latter point. One of the best glove SS the Twins ever had.

AI can’t be blamed for not understanding the reserve clause allowed teams to keep players 

[RpR]

6 hours ago, old nurse said:

AI can’t be blamed for not understanding the reserve clause allowed teams to keep players 

They stayed because Calvin thought they were worth keeping,, and he could afford them.  You try so hard.

[RpR]

9 hours ago, saviking said:

Maybe leave your best talent in AA a bit longer and then bring them straight to the majors. AAA seems like where players who can't make it in the majors go to die. I'm referring to both your best pitchers and best hitters ..

Maybe.

But some sent down to AAA, rookies or vets, for one reason or another stink there also.

[old nurse]

3 hours ago, RpR said:

They stayed because Calvin thought they were worth keeping,, and he could afford them.  You try so hard.

You are the one making the big deal out of players staying and made a big deal out of that the team stayed together in the 60s.  They had  a choice, play for the Twins or don’t play at all. That is a far cry from 6 years of control. The money is different, too. Yes , you are right that II try so hard to get you to see how much you miss. I t is a futile endeavor. Do me a favor and just mute me 

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12 hours ago, old nurse said:

You are the one making the big deal out of players staying and made a big deal out of that the team stayed together in the 60s.  They had  a choice, play for the Twins or don’t play at all. That is a far cry from 6 years of control. The money is different, too. Yes , you are right that II try so hard to get you to see how much you miss. I t is a futile endeavor. Do me a favor and just mute me 

Calvin went through a LOT of players in the sixties , the ones who stayed , stayed because they were good enough to stay.   He could have dumped them  at ANY time he wanted but HE did NOT.  The clause did NOT FORCE him to keep any one.

THAT was a team.

Do not like it , do not read it.

[old nurse]

54 minutes ago, RpR said:

Calvin went through a LOT of players in the sixties , the ones who stayed , stayed because they were good enough to stay.   He could have dumped them  at ANY time he wanted but HE did NOT.  The clause did NOT FORCE him to keep any one.

THAT was a team.

Do not like it , do not read it.

You do not like that you are called out on not understanding that it was the reserve clause which allowed Calvin to keep the players he liked because there was no competition for their services.  Quit trying to twist things to fit your agenda. This is after you say I should quit trying so hard on my posting. That is the funny part of your posting. Along with the words in caps. 

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Yet another reason I think Shelton was a terrible hire.