What Light Does Diamondbacks Deal Shed on the Minnesota Twins?

[old nurse]

21 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I don't "trust" any of their numbers. There's tons of ways for teams to have more revenue than is publicly available. Plenty of ways for them to be spending more or less than is publicly guessed. It's just a source people have been using here so it's the one I went with. Atlanta is the only team with numbers I trust because it's all publicly available. But your stance was basically "it's either as bad as I say or worse" and I'm just not going to buy that. As far as big picture profit goes, the Twins aren't losing money. They have a year here or there (1 apparently in the 9 year non-2020 sample you quoted) where they guess wrong and lose money. But the idea that the Twins are a losing business is not something I'll ever believe. No professional sports team is a losing business. And if the owner can't make it work they can sell it for an incredible profit and let someone else figure it out. If the Twins are such a terrible business for the Pohlads they can sell it for nearly 2 billion and move on with their lives. The fact that they don't I think should tell us all we need to know about whether or not they're struggling to make ends meet over at 1 Twins Way.

Never said the Twins were a losing money business. Did say that they have had seasons where they lost money.. Still the notion of spending more than your means has not been shown to be effective except in your own mind 

[August J Gloop]

My guess is that the backs aren’t going to see much profit from db.tv since to get near the twins bad deal in income they’d have to get 650,000 subs. Arizona has like 2.5 million households, so that’s a sizable chunk of the people in AZ.
Don’t forget that the backs need to produce the games, and we know that isn’t free or even cheap. They’re likely to break even or lose money on tv. 

Maybe AZ is letting the cat out of the bag that tv revenue =\= money available for payroll. We also would need to know how the rest of their organization is paid relative to other mid markets. There are plenty of ways to cut payroll other than not getting the most expensive players. 

[Woof Bronzer]

On 2/29/2024 at 5:58 AM, old nurse said:

Never said the Twins were a losing money business. Did say that they have had seasons where they lost money.. Still the notion of spending more than your means has not been shown to be effective except in your own mind 

The Pohlads are worth somewhere north of $4 billion dollars.  You are suggesting that a $150 mil payroll is spending more than their means?  Can you explain your math to me?  To me $150mil is well short of $4bil, very much within their means, but perhaps you disagree.  

[old nurse]

17 hours ago, Woof Bronzer said:

The Pohlads are worth somewhere north of $4 billion dollars.  You are suggesting that a $150 mil payroll is spending more than their means?  Can you explain your math to me?  To me $150mil is well short of $4bil, very much within their means, but perhaps you disagree.  

They may well be worth 4 billion. Most likely all in assets not cash in hand.  Still doesn’t show where the losing of money on the Twins would be effective