Joey Gallo Shatters Failure Narratives

[arby58]

On 7/10/2023 at 2:12 PM, USAFChief said:

Concur.

It's hard for me to understand someone making that argument. 

And to top it off, most of the same people consider Ks the holy grail of pitching.

I wasn't 'making the argument' that Ks are better than putting the ball in play. I just replied to the question of when putting the ball in play can be worse than a strike out. If it's unclear that making two (or three) outs by putting the ball in play is worse than a strike out, then you're watching a different game than I am.  I would also note the statistic about grounding into double plays is often mentioned by TV color commentators. Apparently, they think it is notable.

[arby58]

On 7/10/2023 at 1:37 PM, Woof Bronzer said:

I'm not asking about the outcome of a ball in play.  I'm asking about the outcome of an at-bat.  

The Twins have grounded into 63 dps and have 708 hits.  So by putting the ball in play they are 10x more likely to get a hit vs a dp.  

They've also struck out 916 times.  So the team has 7x more outs via K than via GIDP.  

This narrative that strikeouts are preferable to putting the ball in play, on the off chance you ground into a dp, needs to stop.  It's factually false.  I truly cannot understand how someone can watch the 2023 Twins and say, yep, Ks are fine, just a type of out.

You asked the question of when a strikeout is preferable to putting the ball in play. The answer is accurate. 

[Woof Bronzer]

2 minutes ago, arby58 said:

You asked the question of when a strikeout is preferable to putting the ball in play. The answer is accurate. 

You keep answering a question I didn't ask.  You think Ks are fine; I get it (and hey, the Twins agree with you!).  We just disagree.  

[USAFChief]

9 minutes ago, arby58 said:

You asked the question of when a strikeout is preferable to putting the ball in play. The answer is accurate. 

If we get to wait until seeing the result of a PA before deciding which is best, then I choose homers. They're better than everything else. 

But if we're talking about PAs that haven't happened yet, and choosing between Ks and balls in play, give me balls in play. As an outcome, they're better than Ks, even if sometimes a ball in play results in 2 or 3 outs.

Disagree? Let's have a computer sequence 1000 consecutive random balls in play, restarting every third out, and 1000 Ks, again restarting after every third out, and see which results in more runs scored.