2013 Draft: The Mocks

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In Law's mock draft, two other high school pitchers (Phil Bickford #8 and Trey Ball #10) selected before Stewart. I'm not sure if this is a significant adjustment in Law's opinion of Stewart, or just a quirk of a mock draft with the Twins able to select Gray.

 

I found Stewart falling so far very odd.

[InfraRen]

In Law's mock draft, two other high school pitchers (Phil Bickford #8 and Trey Ball #10) selected before Stewart. I'm not sure if this is a significant adjustment in Law's opinion of Stewart, or just a quirk of a mock draft with the Twins able to select Gray.

Probably the latter - could also have to do with the further he slides, the less likely he is to sign.

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Law, BA, and CC putting out mocks today. Busy draft day! Hopefully we get some more because I getting excited about the draft. So close!

[InfraRen]

Law, BA, and CC putting out mocks today. Busy draft day! Hopefully we get some more because I getting excited about the draft. So close!

Rumors runnin rampant! Only gonna get crazier over next 3 days.

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Rumors runnin rampant! Only gonna get crazier over next 3 days.

 

And I'm OK with that.

 

There has been so much more draft discussion on the forums this year and it has been great. Hopefully we can keep up all the great discussion till draft day. Everyone has done a great job getting information out be it via tweeter, inside sources, or just using the inter web.

[InfraRen]

^Agree, this has been great! Keep it comin boys.

[CwK]

Yeah, Bickford has really been picking up steam the past few days. Anyone heard why? Or has anyone researched him? The Royals taking him over some of the other possible arms would be just like them.

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Yeah, Bickford has really been picking up steam the past few days. Anyone heard why? Or has anyone researched him? The Royals taking him over some of the other possible arms would be just like them.

 

From Law on the pick:

 

"Bickford throws hard, and there's a good chance he'll hit 100 mph at some point in the future, but he has a below-average breaking ball right now. If one of the college right-handers gets here, that would change the pick, but there's a strong industry sentiment as of Sunday night that Bickford -- who is getting a lot of attention after striking out 17 straight batters Saturday -- goes here."

 

Here is BA's take. They have him at 26.

I thought about Bickford at 18 and almost took him at 22, so I’m not passing him up at 26. His 90-96 mph fastball has tons of life, and along with his tall, lean frame earns him comparisons to Jered Weaver. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he goes about 10 picks higher than this on June

He is very signable and might actually go under slot if he goes in the top 10.

[amjgt]

Kohl Stewart (and Sean Manaea to a lesser extent) is the Grand Prize if the Astros take Colin Moran 1st overall. The further he drops past the Twins, the more likely he is to freefall as his signability comes into significant question.

 

But, if the 'Stros take Moran and give him 4mil, they would have about 4mil to overslot Stewart if he slides to Rd 2.

 

Scenarios like this are why we hear "the Astros aren't going to make a decision until Thursday morning." Logically, they've been scouting these guys for at least a year (probably longer) so why are still waivering?..... It's because they want to gather as much intel as possible on possible over-slot candidates before coming to a decision on whether the risk is worth the reward.

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Kohl Stewart (and Sean Manaea to a lesser extent) is the Grand Prize if the Astros take Colin Moran 1st overall. The further he drops past the Twins, the more likely he is to freefall as his signability comes into significant question.

 

But, if the 'Stros take Moran and give him 4mil, they would have about 4mil to overslot Stewart if he slides to Rd 2.

 

Scenarios like this are why we hear "the Astros aren't going to make a decision until Thursday morning." Logically, they've been scouting these guys for at least a year (probably longer) so why are still waivering?..... It's because they want to gather as much intel as possible on possible over-slot candidates before coming to a decision on whether the risk is worth the reward.

 

I agree 100%. Floating the Moran rumor is just shaking the tree, and now they are seeing what drops. I'm fairly confident the Twins tried this as well with their McGuire rumor. The McGuire rumor allowed teams to figure out who might be available if there is an extra $1-2 million or so available. The Moran rumor raises it to $4 million.

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I agree 100%. Floating the Moran rumor is just shaking the tree, and now they are seeing what drops. I'm fairly confident the Twins tried this as well with their McGuire rumor. The McGuire rumor allowed teams to figure out who might be available if there is an extra $1-2 million or so available. The Moran rumor raises it to $4 million.

 

I think you nailed it.

[Carneal&Gordon]

The 2014 #1 QB recruit Kyle Allen surprised everyone today and with no deadline just announced on Twitter that he has committed to play at Texas A & M.Interesting timing with Kohl Stewart and his advisors attempts at leverage and such.May not have an impact but everything does just 3 days before the draft.

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The 2014 #1 QB recruit Kyle Allen surprised everyone today and with no deadline just announced on Twitter that he has committed to play at Texas A & M.Interesting timing with Kohl Stewart and his advisors attempts at leverage and such.May not have an impact but everything does just 3 days before the draft.

 

Most experts said Stewart wouldn't turn down first round money to hold a clip board behind Johnny M. Now this. I see no way he doesn't sign now.

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Most experts said Stewart wouldn't turn down first round money to hold a clip board behind Johnny M. Now this. I see no way he doesn't sign now.

 

Exactly, I think he would of signed no matter what but he was playing the "Im going to play Football" angle to get some leverage in the negotiations. All this did was give him less leverage. Maybe the school was mad because they knew he wasnt gonna attend so they got back at him by announcing this several days before the draft?

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The timing of this is weird, to say the least. Maybe Allen just really doesn't like Stewart?

 

Yesterday was a pretty crummy day for Stewart. First, Keith Law goes upstream of previous reports and says Stewart could fall as #18 if he's not taken at #4. Then this, which surely decreases Stewart's leverage.

 

With both of those scenarios, it could be that if the Twins draft Stewart with #4, he signs for less than slot, leaving them some extra money for the next couple of rounds.

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Exactly, I think he would of signed no matter what but he was playing the "Im going to play Football" angle to get some leverage in the negotiations. All this did was give him less leverage. Maybe the school was mad because they knew he wasnt gonna attend so they got back at him by announcing this several days before the draft?

 

Or maybe the QB that committed wanted to undercut his possible competition. Sounds more likely than the school retaliating against a potential player who hasn't decommitted yet.

[Oxtung]

Wow the conspiracy theories are flying! I think it's most likely the QB commit waited until he finished his junior year then spent a few days figuring out what he wanted to do with his future. He probably just didn't want this hanging over his head during his senior year. College football recruiting is incredibly time consuming and invasive. There are kids who just want to get it over with. My guess he doesn't really care what Stewart does.

 

I also don't really buy this lowering Stewart's leverage. He still has a scholarship. He can still make the choice to go to college. Nothing has changed.

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With the #1 recruit I don't think Texas A&M is doing this to throw Stewart under the bus by any means. Every football team is trying to get the #1 QB recruit in that class every year. It does hurt Stewart though, probably quite a bit, he goes from having solid leverage to little.

[InfraRen]

Chris Crawford's last mock just posted:

 

The Penultimate Mock |

[Einstein]

The Sporting New projects Kris Bryant to the Twins. I could live with that.

 

MLB mock draft: Astros go economical route again with Heels' Moran - MLB - Sporting News

[Twins Daily Admin]

Guys, I'm going to ask we continue talk about mocks and rumors from here on at our Official Day 1 Draft Thread. Rejoice! It's here!

 

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