Article: Twins to roll with Vance Worley for Opener

[jokin]

 

I don't understand why statements made on this site are assumed to be meant as one extreme or another.

 

 

If I make a statement as simple as, "The fact that Phillies were willing to give up on him so soon, makes me wonder IF there could be something they saw that leads them to believe he isn't going to work out.", it gets taken as if I'm saying, "The fact that the Phillies traded a young pitcher MUST mean that they know he's going to be terrible."

 

Huge difference between me thinking it COULD be a small red flag, and thinking it absolutely means something.

 

Straw men don't get built on their own accord...

[ashbury]

flop-sweat?

 

Urban Dictionary: flop sweat

[ashbury]

No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I don't know how I can be much clearer about it,

 

All right, my brother, maybe I'm being unfair, so let me go back to the first thing you said in this thread, which started me toward framing a response:

 

> For me, (and I'm not even "down" on him, more "not sold on him") I just get a little nervous that there is a reason why Philly was so quick to give up on him so soon.

 

So "a little nervous" isn't really understatement, you do mean only a little.

 

Still, would you ever *not* say something like this about *any* prospect the Twins would ever trade for? Are you a little nervous about Alex Meyer, that there is a reason Washington was so quick to give up on him?

 

Why shouldn't these teams be "a little nervous" that the Twins scouts have spotted a small tweak that can be made to turn these pitchers into even more than they have shown so far?

[Mr. Brooks]

All right, my brother, maybe I'm being unfair, so let me go back to the first thing you said in this thread, which started me toward framing a response:

 

> For me, (and I'm not even "down" on him, more "not sold on him") I just get a little nervous that there is a reason why Philly was so quick to give up on him so soon.

 

So "a little nervous" isn't really understatement, you do mean only a little.

 

Still, would you ever *not* say something like this about *any* prospect the Twins would ever trade for? Are you a little nervous about Alex Meyer, that there is a reason Washington was so quick to give up on him?

 

Why shouldn't these teams be "a little nervous" that the Twins scouts have spotted a small tweak that can be made to turn these pitchers into even more than they have shown so far?

1) Correct, I was not understating, I literally meant just a little.

 

2) No, I woudnt look at Meyer the same way. Meyer was purely a prospect, has never thrown an MLB pitch.

Many GM's look at prospects as "currency", they don't view them as "players" yet. And the Nats are loaded with young power arms, Meyer was a luxury.

To me, if Worley is what he is being presented as, then he's not just a "luxury" to the Phillies. Halladay was hurt and ineffective last year, and is nearing the end of his career. Cliff Lee is getting up there as well, and the Phillies have questionable pitching prospects. The closest thing they have to mlb ready is Pettitbone, and he's a middle to back of the rotation starter at best.

 

3) Sure, other teams fans might be a little nervous that we gave up on Revere so quick, maybe a little nervous that we know something about Span that we are not saying, etc.

But I'm a Twins fan, not a Nats or Phillies fan, so that is not my concern.

[Riverbrian]

I'm nervous about any player acquired in a trade.

 

If there is a player that you shouldn't be nervous about... Teams tend to not trade them. They hang on to them with all their might.

[Craig Arko]

I'm not nervous at all. Worley will do just fine. He won't beat Verlander on Monday, but he'll do OK this year. The kid's got moxie.

[diehardtwinsfan]

You have to give up something of value to get something of value. Personally, I didn't value Revere all that high and would have been thrilled to get just May for him. The Phillies apparently didnt' feel the same way. Worley is an established major leaguer with two seasons of experience and a decent ML K rate (and I'd also note the K rate improved in the late minors). I don't think anyone expects him to be an ace, but he could be a #3 type pitcher for us over the next 4 years at a minimum, which is very valuable. Given his success at this level already, I'd say the risk for a guy like Worley of achieving that is relatively low. The risk for May, on the other hand, is very high based largely on his inability to consistently throw strikes. May definitely has a higher ceiling, but there's a decent chance he never makes it. Ryan essentially took on two projects... a low risk one and a high risk one.