Forbes: Berrios can save Twins season

[TheLeviathan]

 

Honestly, I don't think that matters.  There are some reasons Dougie might not be a good manager but that's probably not one of them.  A manager's job (I think) it almost universally to keep the team together.  Look at Dusty in Washington, Leyland in Detroit, Bochy in SF.  All three have been criticized over the years about their level (or lack thereof) of embracing "new stats".  

 

In-game managing is massively overrated by us fans mostly b/c that's the only part of managing that we really get a sense of. 

 

Look - he may be a great clubhouse guy, but by most accounts so was Gardy.  Is it so much to ask that we look for someone with the full picture?

 

I still haven't given up on Molly, but the idea that Doug is "new" could not be more wrong.

[bird]

 

You and I will be going through a flock of crows at the rate the Twins are failing. 

 

 

That would be a MURDER of crows. Look it up. 

[twinssporto]

 

An update: a quick glance at B-Ref shows the following 23 teams since 2000 starting 5-14 or worse in their first 19 games:

 

2015 MIL
2014 HOU, ARI
2013 HOU, SDP, MIA
2012 MIN, KCR, SDP
2011 none
2010 BAL
2009 WAS
2008 WAS
2007 none
2006 PIT, FLA, KCR
2005 KCR
2004 MON
2003 DET
2002 DET, TEX
2001 DET, TBD
2000 DET

 

 

Note the regular presence of an AL Central team from 2001-2006.

 

Average finish among this group was 65 wins.  Best finish was 2000 Detroit with 79 wins.  2006 Marlins reached 78 wins, and the 2012-2013 Padres both got to 76.  The remaining 20 teams all lost 90+ games (72 or fewer wins).

 

EDIT: This was just for fun/trivia/curiosity.  Some of these teams started worse than 5-14, 5-14 isn't functionally that different than 6-13, etc.

So your saying there's a chance!?

[gunnarthor]

 

Look - he may be a great clubhouse guy, but by most accounts so was Gardy.  Is it so much to ask that we look for someone with the full picture?

 

I still haven't given up on Molly, but the idea that Doug is "new" could not be more wrong.

Who has a full picture?  Maddon doesn't - he just did what the FO told him.  

 

I mean, yeah, search high and low for a replacement.  I'm certainly not sold on Dougie but the reasons you suggested for not hiring him were reasons that, I think, are relatively not important in the grand scheme of things.  

[Mr. Brooks]

Honestly, I don't think that matters. There are some reasons Dougie might not be a good manager but that's probably not one of them. A manager's job (I think) it almost universally to keep the team together. Look at Dusty in Washington, Leyland in Detroit, Bochy in SF. All three have been criticized over the years about their level (or lack thereof) of embracing "new stats".

 

In-game managing is massively overrated by us fans mostly b/c that's the only part of managing that we really get a sense of.

I think Molitor is proving that last sentence wrong with his baffling incompetent in game moves.

[kab21]

 

Except the Twins are clearly trying to win this year, just like last year. They didn't call up young guys last year to get acclimated for this year, and so far this year, they are going with old guys in the rotation and bullpen (and signed a 29 year old DH, and just cut their only catching depth for a 34 yo OF that can't field).

This year and last year are completely different. Last year they were 3 GB of a wild card although they should have made some other moves (like calling up Berrios in the bullpen).

 

This year they could play .500 ball and still be 9 games under .500 at the end June. At that point you would hope that they would start making some moves to a younger team.

 

Park is one of the reasons for optimism regardless that he is 29. But he needs to show that he is a plus MLB player this season.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Who has a full picture?  Maddon doesn't - he just did what the FO told him.  

 

I mean, yeah, search high and low for a replacement.  I'm certainly not sold on Dougie but the reasons you suggested for not hiring him were reasons that, I think, are relatively not important in the grand scheme of things.  

 

They can be important for lineups and what you emphasize that your players do well.  If you're going to get caught up in RBIs and other nonsense for that than I really don't want you as manager.

 

I don't care why Maddon generally approaches things from a smart perspective...I just care that he does.  I feel like Dougie would be going back to TK and I'm just done with that kind of thinking.

 

The manager has been an issue so far, but it's the GM we should be talking about.

[jokin]

 

Everyone is jumping on the seemingly obvious choice of Milone, but hasn't Gibson already made himself (at least) temporarily expendable out of the rotation???:

 

Gibson

 

ERA/xFIP- 6.10/5.54

K/BB- 11/12

K*9/BB*9- 4.79/5.23

 

which makes Tommy Milone look "good" by comparison-

Milone

ERA/xFIP- 5.87/3.71

K/BB- 12/4

K*9/BB*9- 7.04/2.35

 

(Does Gibson have an option left? It seems it's either that or a trip to the DL if this continues...)

 

 

As I was saying...

something was definitely wrong this season, especially in Washington.

 

Goes to show there's more than one way to (finally) get their best pitching prospect to the majors-- that way of course being- utter desperation.