Ervin Santana banned for the playoffs?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Also, who do you take off the starting rotation to plug in Santana?   If you look at FIP and WAR the worst Twins' starter right now is Hughes.  Would you move Hughes to the pen for Santana?   Nope.  Santana made his bed and he should sleep in it.   Unless something drastically changes, he looks good as the long man off the pen right now...

It would be an interesting question if Santana returned today.  (Sadly May would probably be the odd man out due to seniority -- hopefully he can bolster his case against such a move in June.)

 

Of course, two of our starters have dramatically under-performed their FIPs so far (and two others have dramatically out-performed theirs).  So I wouldn't expect the exact same rotation performance by early July.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

If he contributes to us making the playoffs and he DOESN'T take the mound its going to be a bigger story.

In Santana's case this year, yes.  But this rule absolutely would have lessened the postseason attention on Melky Cabrera in 2012, as well as Jhonny Peralta and Nelson Cruz in 2013.

[h2oface]

 

22 innings pitched is an insignificant sample size and means nothing.

re:

5.56 ERA, 22.2 IP, 9 BB, 14 K, 1.324 WHIP
Santana's career post-season line.

 

It seems to me that it says he certainly didn't get the job done for those 22.2 innings pretty emphatically. Since that is his complete history, that is all that can be reported without making anything up.

[gil4]

 

I understand that, but if they do the time for the crime, what else is supposed to happen? Hate the guy forever?

I still hate Drew Pearson for pushing off on Nate Wright, so I guess that's a yes.

[h2oface]

 

You've got your years wrong.  The rule change was announced in March 2014 (largely in reaction to the Biogenesis suspensions of 2013).  Santanta was suspended in April 2015.

And so I have. Argh! Posting later than late. Missed the year completely. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Brock Beauchamp]

re:

5.56 ERA, 22.2 IP, 9 BB, 14 K, 1.324 WHIP

Santana's career post-season line.

 

It seems to me that it says he certainly didn't get the job done for those 22.2 innings pretty emphatically. Since that is his complete history, that is all that can be reported without making anything up.

It's not making anything up but it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

Ervin Santana pitched his last postseason inning in October of 2009. He pitched close to half his postseason innings as a 22 year old eleven seasons ago.

 

Talking about Ervin's eye color and predicting performance on that has the same relevance as his 2005-2009 postseason innings.

[h2oface]

 

It's not making anything up but it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Ervin Santana pitched his last postseason inning in October of 2009. He pitched close to half his postseason innings as a 22 year old eleven seasons ago.

Talking about Ervin's eye color and predicting performance on that has the same relevance as his 2005-2009 postseason innings.

Perhaps it is not relevant to you. To me, it is the complete recorded history of his performance in the playoffs, and I am glad someone took the time find the stats, and present them here. To me, and perhaps some others (at least one for sure), that is relevant in a conversation about Santana's availability for the next playoffs. I would also look at how Mauer did in his history, and Sandoval (wow, but just interesting), even though they are small samples.  I will agree that eye color is not. I also think Fenway park is nothing like a shoebox. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

So be it but I think Santana's playoff stats matter about as much as Torii Hunter's 2001 breakout season. They have about the same relevance to the two players' expected performance in 2015.

[dxpavelka]

 

re:

5.56 ERA, 22.2 IP, 9 BB, 14 K, 1.324 WHIP
Santana's career post-season line.

 

It seems to me that it says he certainly didn't get the job done for those 22.2 innings pretty emphatically. Since that is his complete history, that is all that can be reported without making anything up.

You're right it IS HISTORY.  And history means nothing.  If it did, we'd be 11 games under .500 instead of 11 games over.