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Everything posted by nicksaviking
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For sure, at least not if Derek Falvey is running things, he's going to give him a long leash to show it was a good trade. If there is a new guy running things, all bets are off. Often new GMs go out of their way to show they're doing things different and don't agree with the last guy.
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Only using two of Gray's 13 MLB seasons and one of Abel's MiLB seasons? That's the most cherry picked argument I've seen. Abel's career MiLB BB/9 is 5.1. I'm guessing it's going to be very difficult to find successful starting pitchers with the same historical numbers in that category. I already mentioned Randy Johnson, I'm happy to listen on more but I'm quite sure he's an outlier. If the Phillies were basing their pitcher preference based on this year's AAA numbers, they would have hands down insisted on trading Painter, not Abel. They didn't and they know both pitchers better than anyone. And I actually like the Abel part of the deal better than the A Ball catcher. I don't hate him, I just don't think his chances of sticking in the rotation are nearly as high as what's being presented. He looks like Trevor May to me. Good player, but not a starter, and not a Duran replacement either.
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Sonny Gray has a MiLB career 3.1 BB/9 and MLB career 2.9 BB/9. He never approached the poor numbers Abel had. Again, hopefully he figured something out and this year is the new normal, I just think it's rare that it happens. More often than not these guys end up in the pen.
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If the Pohlad's are truly selling soon, I'm sure they only care about Houston taking the rest of the salary that they still owe him this year.
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He struggled every year until this season. He was only given prospect consideration because of his draft position; he should have never had any shine. Look, I'm not going to write him off, I'm hopeful that his success this year is permanent, but historically, unless you're Randy Johnson or Nolan Ryan, guys with control issues do not end up turning into good starters. The walk numbers look better this year, so maybe he's figured something out, we'll have to hang our hopes on that. However, that's not typically something that is fixed with young pitchers, usually they either have decent control or they don't.
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I think you're misunderstanding the fans' unrest. Without speaking for EVERYONE, my position is that the Twins should only have traded Duran if it was a massive overpay, and based on all the national reviews, it was not, it was fair to slightly favorable to Philadelphia. There was zero need to trade him, he was still under contract for two more years. The headliner was a A ball catcher, so all this move did was tell the fans that the Twins are already waiving the white flag on the 2026 season as well.
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I'd take the AAA CF with the .350 OBP the Giants got over the lotto ticket A ball catcher the Twins got. Sure, looking them over I'd take Abel over Tidwell, but that's much closer to a wash than the offensive end of the deal. Both pitchers have a history of command that looks like they're ending up in the bullpen.
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I've been saying all along that we shouldn't get our hopes up about a new owner. But if the new person is ever going to try to build good will with the fans and/or shoot for the stars, it's going to be in the first year or two.
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An elite bullpen does help next year if a new owner is willing to increase payroll by 20M and they hire a manager who wants to develop young players and can teach fundamentals. And both of those are minor asks from a new owner.
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He was not required to be traded.
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Ramos was already at the MLB level. Unless it’s some can’t miss stud with a 1.000 OPS, A ball players should be the third or fourth piece included.
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He’s a better pitcher than a different pitcher nobody wants in the rotation? High bar.
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Unless one is going off of some very dated prospect rankings, I think the Giants got just as good if not a better return for 2 months of the soft tossing Tyler Rogers.
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A starter with control issues and an A ball catcher? And now if this team does get a new owner next year who does want to win, now the Twins have to go back out and find more back of the bullpen help?
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Yeah, you probably don't pivot to a left handed reliever if you get denied the right hander. But I'm not trading Duran unless it's something obviously too good to pass up.
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Correa seems like a guy who will up his game when motivated. That's obviously not a ringing endorsement, but if he goes to Houston, I fully expect him to return to glory and make the Twins look foolish immediately. And similarly, if the Twins do get sold and new owners inject new life into this franchise, I'd think he'd be very likely to return to form here next year and help lead an improved team back to the playoffs. On the other hand, if the Pohlads are staying, or new owners are no different, then yeah, I'd expect Correa to produce similarly to what he's doing now.
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In accountant terms, I think the comparison is the weirdo who doesn't make the IRS pay them the full amount of their refund: I would like to receive the full amount of my Paddack please.
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The very thrifty Rays and Orioles just traded similarly unexciting players and ate money to do it. One got an infielder in A+ ball and the other a AA pitcher. Now, some may argue that Danny Jensen and Seranthony Dominguez are better players, but then why did those teams have to eat the money? Answer: they likely didn't have to eat it, but they did to get the better prospects. At this point I'm just annoyed. Let's see what happens with Bader, Castro and Coulombe. I'll give them a chance to eat money on those contracts to get even better returns.
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But honestly, the saving money aspect isn't the scariest part of this. Recent reports say the Pohalds have one foot out the door. They are not supposed to care about next year's payroll. Unless they still think they're cutting checks next year. Or worse, the front office already assumes or knows the new owners are also going to have the same mindset.
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I'm minimizing the 1.2M future savings of the Dobnak deal? What kind of player improvement do you get for 1.2M next year? I don't want ANY free agent that cost 1.2M and a 10M player and a 11.2M player are the exact same player. This does nothing to improve the future of the team.
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But the financial value only benefits the team, if the savings of that value is used to improve the team. They aren't going to use that financial savings to add players this year.
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