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Article: Daily Twins Daily: August 4, 2017
jorgenswest replied to Parker Hageman's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I do want to see a Garver, but it is my interest and curiosity. The Twins see him every day. It isn't about the Twins seeing but rather developing. There is so much to learn at catcher. It is likely there are fundamentals that the Twins are pushing this year that they didn't in previous years. The most important result is that he enters next year as fundamentally sound at catcher as possible. If that means four more weeks in AAA, then they need to give him that time.- 20 replies
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Is it the Tyler Watson from the Mariners organization?
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Article: Twins Trade Kintzler To Nationals
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The new front office speared more focused on changes that were structural throughout the system. Is there a better and more consistent approach towards developing players in the system? There seemed to be intentional effort to be consistent with the organizational meetings. How is data being gathered and utilized throughout the system? The Twins probably ranked near the bottom in their use of data prior to this year. I don't know how much impact those structural changes would have on the major league record. I would guess little, but it should help for 2018. Should they have made those changes and brought in two better relievers? Yes. However signing aging relievers is a roll of the dice. You hope our new guys are more successful picking them than others but they were working from information collected during the previous administration. They really did not compete In this market by signing Belisle. -
Article: Rule 5 Addition Discussion
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I don't think there will be any tough decisions. The Twins have plenty of space to clear on the 40. They won't lose anyone with upside.- 93 replies
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Twins retain all of their 2018 assets (depending on your view of Murphy) while adding near ready depth in Ens, Littell and Moya. They lost Ynoa but added Watson in the lower minors. It cost them a little cash to add the depth. Well played by the front office. They also get some international dollars.
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Article: Twins Rumor Central: Sunday Edition
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If they can find a trade partner for a Gimenez, of course they move him. I don't think it is Gimenez blocking Garver, but rather Garver's defense at catcher that they are developing as well as seeing how he might handle LF. If they can develop Garver into an average receiver, he is a valuable addition to the bench.- 67 replies
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Ynoa may have the greater upside but Littell, Moya and Enns all have a chance to help in 2018. Ynoa is years away.
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Gives us an idea of the depth of the Yankees organization relative to the Twins. The Twins are deeper now without messing with the major league roster. In: Littell, Ens, Moya, Recker Out: Murphy, Ynoa, pile of cash
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Enns career ERA in the minors is 1.87 in almost 400 innings. I almost always ignore ERA but that is hard to ignore.
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https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/7/30/16064776/the-back-up-plan-yankees-get-jaime-garcia-for-zack-littell-and-dietrich-enns
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Comp in Twins system - Felix Jorge?
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Article: Twins July Trade Candidates
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
What did they learn about Parmelee or Danny Santana or Polanco? Did their view change considerably after good numbers at the start of their careers? Should it? They have watched the player for years prior to the partial first season. He could come up and post an OPS of 800 or 600 and that small sample shouldn't change their assessment of his skill at the plate. The big question for Garver is his skill behind the plate, They continue to develop that skill caching every other day in AAA. I am certain behind the scenes he is spending a lot of time watching video and learning how to prep for a game. Should they call him up now or develop that skill for another month and call him up in September? I would like to see him but I am not sure it is best.- 111 replies
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Article: Twins July Trade Candidates
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree with everything but the LF part. In the one game I saw, he seems no where near ready to play outfield in the major leagues. Grossman is a below average outfielder but Garver wouldn't be close to his level. How could be be? He has 114 innings in the minors. Why should the Twins expect someone to come up and learn that position in the majors? It is even a bigger jump moving from catcher than a middle infield position. Call him up now and scrap LF or keep him down to give him a lot more time in LF in AAA/winter/spring.- 111 replies
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Encouraged that they must have some confidence in Garver's defense st catcher. I don't think they would move Murphy otherwise. As they become sellers it would be nice to see Garver catch a few times a week in the majors.
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I don't think Recker was on the Braves 40. They previously DFA'd him. He shouldn't need to be on the Twins. Baseball reference says his salary is 800,000. He seems to be a non-factor. If Ynoa turns out to be Hu in 2017, it seems like a good deal. Hu is a AAA reliever this year with mediocre results. He has used at least two options. Ynoa could easily run out of options before he has established himself in the majors. It seems like Braves could have asked for more. Maybe the Twins did take on most of the money. edit- Recker is listed on 40. Maybe the Braves added him back after the DFA earlier in the season. edit- He was DFA'd in May and last played in majors in April http://www.ajc.com/sports/baseball/recker-dfa-braves-camargo-optioned-triple/t1Q6936m1e0iX8BYPqq26O/ Is the 40 listing correct?
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Recker and Gimenez crossed paths with the Indians last year. Last May the Indians had Recker in AAA and were in need of a catcher for the major league roster with the injury to Perez. Instead of calling up Recker, they reacquired Gimenez from the Rangers on May 4. On May 9 Recker was sent to the Braves for cash. From "Let's Go Tribe"
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The Braves are certainly looking for upside. Ynoa is a long way from the majors. This is his third season and he has a few starts in a shaky Elizabethton season. He will need to be put on the 40 man roster or be exposed to rule 5 after 2 more seasons. It is hard to imagine that he will have much experience above A-Ball by that time. Adding a catcher in AAA clears a spot for Garver to be a third catcher/bench bat. They need someone that can hit a lefty and he may have more value to the bench than Granite once Buxton returns. I don't know how they find a roster sport for either without going to 12 pitchers though. I suppose the other possibility is the Twins are in talks about moving Murphy or Garvin for a reliever.
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Article: Catching Curiosities
jorgenswest replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
As I said, I wonder what the Twins think about Garver's defense. His bat isn't keeping him in AAA.- 39 replies
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Article: Catching Curiosities
jorgenswest replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I wonder how the Twins assess Garver's defense. Is he close to Murphy? If a major league catcher were to go down, I think they would call up the better defensive catcher. There is clear separation at the bat. I do wonder if the Twins see significant separation with the glove in Murphy's favor and whether he might be the next catcher in line. That call up will be very telling for how the organization sees Garver's future role.- 39 replies
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Article: Catching Curiosities
jorgenswest replied to Tom Froemming's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The data used takes a large sample to stabilize when it is a single pitcher. I don't see how to use ERA, slash stats and BABIP in splits with any value. Given their dependence on each other, are they saying anything different? There might be data that is useful. I wonder if first strike % is significantly different? How about 0-2 and 1-2 counts? What is called? What is the result? How might Castro sequence a pitcher differently than Gimenez? What do the varying strike zone maps look like? Do they vary by catcher for the same pitcher? Strike out rate and walk rate are among the first that stabilize. I don't know if in a split we will have enough data at full season. Once we control by a single pitcher the split sample gets pretty small. Those would be the only two that are easily available to us but it might take a few years of data. Any conclusion would be hindsight by that time.- 39 replies
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It will be interesting to see the return for Garcia. Thorpe's value is difficult to gauge. He hasn't pitched many innings this year and will be limited next year. I think he needs to be put on the 40 man roster this winter. He has thrown just over 40 innings since 2014. When might it be reasonable that he is ready? September 2019? That is if he stays healthy. By then two options will be used. The window where he needs to show success in the majors before he runs out of options could be very narrow. If I am the Braves, I think I would seek a better return with so many days left before the deadline.
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Article: Twins Close To Acquiring LHP Jaime Garcia?
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Article: Twins Close To Acquiring LHP Jaime Garcia?
jorgenswest replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Garcia is healthy. He is pitching better than 2016. The demand for starters is greater. It will cost more to get him now. The Braves took a risk with Colon, Garcia and Dickey to the tune of 32.5 million and 3 marginal prospects. They will get a nice return for Garcia.

