KirbyDome89

Estimated $8M, which is a bargain. He wouldn't have to be a closer, he could pitch the 6th, 7th, 8th ect and get the highest leverage outs thereby giving you a chance to hold or take the lead. Having a good pitcher makes your team better. There's a self fulfilling prophecy element here. Varland, Duran, and Jax weren't rentals right? The rationale for moving Duran can't be "we're gonna suck regardless," if you've chosen to take steps to ensure that you're going to suck.

Money saved? How does that positively affect the team and/or this fan base? Money not spent now doesn't become available at a later date, no matter how hard fans try to delude themselves into believing otherwise. Before the deadline purge the Twins were neck and neck with Baltimore and a few games up on Sacramento, with Chicago already a virtual lock to "win," the best odds of securing the number 1 pick. If what you're suggesting is true, that Falvey intentionally gave up his best bullpen arms, all with multiple years of control, because he wanted to race Baltimore and Sacramento for the 2nd best odds, he should've been gone yesterday. That's insane... We're declaring the rental swaps a W for the Twins despite none of the returns having seen any MLB action whatsoever. Ok.... Bradley had a 6.61 ERA in 6 starts with MN last year. This was after being demoted in TB. Go ahead and dog on Jax if it makes you feel better about the swap, but he was a pretty damn dependable (if not borderline elite) RP the previous 3 seasons. His FIP during the 1sh half with MN was half of what his ERA was, so do with that what you will. Hell, even though his TB tenure got off to a rough start he still posted solid numbers. If you ignore how bad Abel was for the rest of 2025 I'm sure that single start in Philly is encouraging haha. Expecting him to be a front of the rotation guy is a lot. They gave up 2.5 years of an elite bullpen arm so Abel might have to at least be a solid middle-ish guy, especially if Tait's defense won't keep him at C. They're paying Correa to not be here. The Twins are essentially paying $10M to play Brooks Lee at SS. That trade sucks. WS or bust is massively flawed logic if we're talking about purging controlled talent.

Well, at least 2 teams just agreed that they're essentially the same value, so what other piece are you moving Jackson for? Another Eeles non-prospect type? What's the point? Because they're not representative of production you should expect moving forward....

Again, he had a 2 week stretch where he "racked up," some XBHs last season. He only had 100ish PAs; that mini streak carried his season. He turns 30 in a few weeks, he has 440 career PAs and 420 of those are well below average offensively, even for a C. Vazquez would've seen 250-300 PAs last year as an absolute black hole. in the lineup This club wants to split time evenly at C. A bigger deal like IKF? Which salary are they trying to dump now?

Sure, you can K 35% of the time, but if you're gonna OPS in the high 500s/low 600s that's going to drag your team down offensively. Clemens was terrible outside of May last season. Similarly, Jackson clustered some XBHs during a 2 week span in what was a very SSS overall. He was pretty much the same hitter production-wise pre and post that 11 game stretch. Begging for a repeat hot streak from an otherwise poor hitter seems like poor strategy to me, especially if you're planning on giving him 250-300 PAs.

Idc about Eeles. I do care about locking a subpar performer into a roster spot.

Keirsey was unplayable. That's an insanely low bar to clear. Idk how Jackson's K rate in the mid 30s (I'm probably being too generous here) is sustainable.

Is that what they're getting though? This looks like the C equivalent of Kody Clemens; nice couple weeks after coming up in July buoyed what was otherwise another unremarkable (even by C standards) offensive campaign.

We're talking about 1,000 PAs. Sure, highest leverage can do the most damange positively or negatively, and that's going to be your smallest sample size, but if you want to start parsing it down to single events, his 5 highest WPA totals were nearly identical to his lowest 5. I'm not really buying the bad luck/lack of opportunities argument if the top mirrors the bottom in a sample size that spans 2+ seasons. Of course Wallner is more valuable via BTV, like you said, he costs a fraction of what Larnach does and that doesn't change for the next few years. Is anybody actually arguing otherwise? As far as the "narrative," stuff goes, your comparison seemed rather slanted, so I pushed back. If that means I'm pushing an agenda then guilty as charged I suppose.

This is also the first time Falvey has been squarely in the crosshairs. They've gone through multiple training staffs, Levine departed, Rocco is out, the current assistant staff is almost entirely new. Falvey (outside of our billionaire overlords) is the lone holdover. There could definitely be some self preservation at work here, and it's an easy card to play given how unanimously the Pohlads are hated.

Kody Clemens from June 1st through the end of the season - .203/.267/.402 His April sucked too. Outside of 10 days in May he was borderline unplayable (unless of course you're the the Twins) which is why teams like Philly and Detroit don't regret their decision to cut bait. If we're talking about 1B defense or leadership we've lost the plot. Handing this guy 1B, even as the strong side of a platoon, has disaster written all over it. "If the alternative is going after someone like Ty France in free agency — and, let's be honest, it probably is — why not?" Because Ty France was actually a good Major League hitter at one point before signing with the Twins? At least with that uninspiring signing there was some track record to point to. What's the Kody Clemens selling point? "Hey, if we keep feeding him enough PAs, maybe at age 30 he'll only be a solidly below average offensive 1B instead of waiver wire fodder." What a joke...

Wallner is at 0 WPA for his career, his stats also start to cave as the game situation tightens up. I think it was Ashbury that dug up the numbers, but they matched the eye test. Saying Wallner is neutral on the bases while Larnach is below average is hyperbolic, they're within a single run year or year as far as baserunning runs or run value. Neither steals enough or is aggressive enough on the bases for anything else to matter. They're basically the same player in that category. Wallner's top speed might exceed Larnach's, but it sure isn't helping him in the field. Either his reads are poor and/or he takes too long to reach that speed because his range is awful, even playing one of the smallest RFs in baseball half the time. The arm strength isn't enough to make up for his lack of range either. He's going to give up way more hits failing to get to balls than he'll ever wipe away throwing out runners trying to advance. Daulton Varsho was starting in CF for Toronto during the WS with one of the worst arms (post recovery) in baseball because he could still get to everything. Both guys are negative defenders who do nothing on the bases. Their BB rate is nearly identical. Larnach will hit for a slightly higher average and K less often, Wallner will hit more HRs plus like you said he costs less and has more years of team control.

Idk how basic communication (not outlining an exact offseason plan) with fans would be tipping their hand. If they're moving Ryan and/or Lopez it's for financial reasons. If we know that, other GMs definitely know it, and if Falvey plans to move one or both of those guys I'd rather have a bidding war as opposed to some Lakers/Mavs fiasco. I very much doubt Falvey is in the dark. He's paid to be a mouthpiece for ownership, and that's what he's doing. I do get a little chuckle out of him starting to subtly put some distance between himself and ownership now that the mob has turned more of their attention towards him. I think it's safe to assume that no news is bad news at this point, but rip the band aid off if that's the case. At worst you give yourself a longer runway to maybe soothe some angst before you need a**** in seats. The complete lack of communication a) builds false hope and b) allows fans to fill in the blanks with potentially whatever worst case scenario they can imagine.

Yeah, I don't think anybody is eyeing the WS in 2026, but there's a pretty wide chasm between where the roster currently sits vs. a continued teardown. Sure, Alcala and Celestino flamed out, but they weren't exactly a bag of balls so Idk how easily replaceable Pressly really was. That 2019 bullpen was turnstile beyond Rogers, May, and Duffey.

I don't think anybody is asking for a hard number, or to be in on meetings, they just want a general sense of direction. Provide actual ****ing responses to legitimate questions rather than meaningless word salad. They dealt from a position that was far from a strength/surplus, for 2 prospects, during a time you're trying to contend.

The chart for 2024 revenue vs. 2025 payroll had Miami north of $300M in revenue and south of $100M in payroll. A $17M profit would be shockingly low. Idk how much stock any of us should put in those numbers but yeah, it's borderline impossible for these teams to actually lose money in any given year, let alone rack up $500M in debt over a 3-4 year period.

The Correa and Donaldson contracts were outside of the norm as far as years/dollars go, but the payroll didn't really budge much, they were consistently in the 16-20 range every year. It's not like the Pohlads actually pushed in and decided to go for it. Concur about the limited partners. It's just a quick cash infusion in conjunction with slashing payroll which should allow the billionaire overlords the ability to pay down the debt + interest while still hitting that oh so important profit number. The only real hope is that once they've managed to dig out of whatever the debt is, they sell the ****ing team and disappear.

One step further, it's impossible that Miami is losing money. The notion that these franchises somehow aren't printing $$ is laughable. There was real, reported interest in the Twins at $1.5B, that doesn't happen if the asset is bleeding money...

Yeah, I could do without the headline, but the content is relevant and it has nothing to do with pushing some sort of negative agenda.

The best player (by a long shot) on the team is reportedly considering waiving his no trade clause and that's not news worthy?

"If even Buxton is starting to look elsewhere for hope, then maybe the organization needs to take a hard look at what it has become and who it is pushing away in the process." We're way beyond the point that this org should begin to self reflect. Things don't get this bad via pure incompetence; the apathy from the top down is palpable.

I'm not saying the Twins did him dirty, but if another team (and again, I'll state that I think the odds of this happening are remote) finds a way to turn him into even a semi solid regular, I think that's another black eye for a Twins organization that has obviously struggled to develop players. Rooker is an example in name only and not a particularly strong case for development issues. I'd drop him too. Like I said, I agree that he needs to be elsewhere if he wants to find MLB success.

Yes, and you were fine with that metric as long as it pertained to Seattle. Like I said, as soon as Cleveland, Milwaukee, and TB entered the convo the bar dropped.

Trying to hoard service time is how you end up with players in their mid to late 20s becoming 40 man casualties without actually getting a shot. Are RP prospects a real thing? That's only half rhetorical. Prielipp probably didn't need to be pitching in AAA during the 2nd half. They had Lopez, Ryan, Ober, SWR, Matthews, Abel, and Bradley for all of September.

Concur on the bolded. I very much doubt he becomes anything of value elsewhere, the bat is just too streaky to compensate for the lack of defensive skill, but if he beats the odds and figures it out a la Rooker, I'd say fans should probably freak out a little.