I don't think it's rude ... I think there is a certain to truth to it ... on BOTH sides. (The 'being right' part.) I've followed this debate each and every time it's come up and there is absolutely nothing new being said ... it's the same old arguments on both sides, back and forth, back and forth. There are a few acknowledgements of understanding the others' points of view, even if disagreed with (and I say few, very few) vs people just digging in for the long haul, with the 'tone' of "I'm right, gosh darn it!" So, at this point, as a moderator, I'm putting this out here: If you've said it already, you've said it. Move on. There is no 'convincing' of anyone of anything here as most here have decided opinions. On TD, I don't care how much you believe in what you believe, or how right you may be proven in hindsight, or how right you think you are in foresight, no one is right or wrong here, only expressing opinions. Disagree with those opinions all you want, have a good debate, even heated as long as you remain respectful. But at this point, this subject has been debated many times over, and it will soon teeter over (and has) into jabs at one another and their reasoning as to why they think as they do which then becomes bickering. So, unless you have something new to add or are just refuting what you've already refuted time and again, stop. And while I'm at it ... stop with the jabs, especially if you meant them to be unfriendly. And stop being easily offended with perception without truly knowing and responding equally. (Especially the 'responding equally' part.) If you truly feel whatever someone said was meant as an insult, report it. (And even though I quoted Mike here, I am addressing EVERYONE. He just gave me a 'good jumping off' point.)