Squirrel

It’s a new day. You can rant about yesterday in yesterday’s game recap. We don’t need today’s game thread to be a rehash of last night’s game thread. I think Brock made that clear. Agree, disagree, be disappointed because losing sucks, but act like an adult and be respectful of one another.

Stop making your posts personal towards anyone. This is a discussion forum and we disagree. No one is right or wrong, so stop with the personal comments.

No one changed the topic title. Another thread was started to complain about Rocco’s lineups and Richie merged the topics. When you merge topics, you can choose which title it will take, Richie chose the new topic title. It was no one being immature. I changed it back to the original just now so others like yourself won’t be confused.

This is where I digress from most of you. Can a manager impact a game? Yes. Has Rocco? Most likely, no way to really know for sure or how often, but most likely. Enough to really make a difference? Perhaps ... depends on how close you are in the end. But I wouldn't say his impact was as much as what most of you think. Rocco isn't great, but I don't think he's the worst, either. And I've said this for most of the last couple of seasons. It's up to the players to play ... they know their roles, then execute. Some of you believe how he handles the line up and bp matter; okay, yes, they matter, but how much? I'm not convinced it matters as much as most of think think. I'm not sure it's the reason for losses; if it is, it's the reason for wins, too, and there are more of those than losses. I don't think every loss is on him. I don't think most losses are on him same as I don't credit him for most of the wins, either. I just don't believe the manager is that affecting of the outcome. Now, in the end, if your difference is within 5 games ... certainly, some of that is on Rocco. But a lot of that is on the players. A lot more, imo. More losses come at their hands than Rocco's. More wins come at their hands than Rocco's, too. I also think the FO has a lot of fingers in this, as well. If not Rocco, we'd likely have someone just like him and we'd still be here. And then there's ownership cutting payroll and limiting who we can get. That is more frustrating to me, way more. Losing is not a one person thing, but most nights, after a loss, I hear many of you point the finger at one person. It just isn't so, imo. The managers in this game have always been the scapegoats. Always.

That is my guess

None of those was the case. It was a close play we didn’t get. Julien was there.

Yep. Read that, too

Well, the OP sounds like they want to know whether or not to watch the Twins. I guess I’d say don’t watch but follow the news and when someone returns then watch again. <shrug>

What do you expect the team to say? I’m sure everyone is hoping Correa will be back. Buxton is close, supposedly. Ryan is out for the season, that has already been reported. No one can give an exact return date for any injury. We fans want more details but we aren’t owed exact details on anyone’s personal health.

And you are a prime example of what we don’t want at this site. And it has nothing to do with positive or negative posting …

No, it’s not a message board, it’s a privately-owned website with a posting policy. Venting is one thing. Disrespect is another. And we all care about the Twins. Just because some do it louder doesn’t mean they care more.

I don’t think anyone who takes time to post at a site dedicated to Twins baseball is any less passionate or any less a fan than either of you. And I am pretty certain no one here likes losing. But I do question the levels of rabidity in game threads that border on or are over the line of disrespect. No one playing this game or coaching it or managing it lack heart or feel for the game. Very few people get to where they do and it takes a lot of dedication, work and heart for the game. Seems to me a lot of accusations take place questioning players’ dedication because they don’t respond to losing just like you do. When someone in this thread said Rocco doesn’t stand up to the umps, another poster showed that yes, actually he does. But there is no capitulation because of how some feel about him as a manager. I do, however, find the posts that suggest we’ve already lost the game in the first innings of play a bit over the top. By my calculations it was a close game, but already there were claims of loss and season loss. If you post the doom and gloom frustrations, my equal is to roll my eyes at you. What you call passion, I term irrational emotional reaction. You fan your way, I fan mine.

Serious question … then why do you spend so much time watching and posting here? I mean … seriously, why? I can always find better things to do, and have. Almost done with major home improvement project three … that’s how I’ve spent quite a bit of my summer

He foolishly agreed to do it when asked

How’s this different than every game thread?

Go, fight, win! Damn it!

What a bunch of clickbait bull.

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Let’s take the series … go Zebby, go Twins!

Yes

Hey, bases loaded and a run scores!

Is that referencing how bad the radio team is?

If players don’t know how to play the game by the time they reach the show, then that is on the development staff. At this level, they will never catch up with just pregame warmups. I’m not saying they can’t be coached, but learning and instruction should have happened by now. We don’t know what happens off the field, so I’m not ready to point fingers at specific people. You and I are just not going to see it the same way, except when it comes to Correa, which is fine … the way of the world. It’d be a pretty boring place if we all agreed about everything.

Yes, we need Correa and Buxton. The bottom line for me is the players have to execute when called upon. Period. I question Okert being on the team at all at this point. That isn’t on Rocco. But you can’t use the same three people people every night. I’ve seen it on these boards before. He goes for Sands instead of Okert and Sands blows it, it’s Rocco’s fault for going with Sands. I think it’s an illogical pov at this point driven by an already and justified dislike. It’s a team sport. You hope that everyone comes together all at the same time for win after win. That’s never gonna happen. I want to win it all as much as the next person, but I’ve also learned to manage my expectations. And I still don’t think Rocco has cost the team that many losses. I think the players have more. It is them who plays the game. And I think the FO has more for lack of a better payroll.

Thats not the right question, imo … it’s why is even even on the team. He should’ve been dealt with long ago. Thank you FO.