mnfireman

Maybe the Twins made a lower offer (not going to call it a low-ball offer), knowing they would get out-bid by a bigger market, because they already had his medicals. I wouldn't think it would be a banned substance as he knew he would be taking a physical for whichever team he signed with.

Thank you Mr. Goins for coming on here and sharing your insight and experience. But once again, TD posters still have to come on here and rail the FO for being cheap, not adapting and generally whining that the off-season, the upcoming season, and all future seasons are total losses. Gloom and doom abounds in Twins Territory (maybe I'll change my screen name to this!).

You're the one comfortable with overpaying as long you get what you want, I'm just willing to give the extra years to pay it off...

Underwhelming offer??' $28.5 MM/yr would be second highest AAV among this years FA, 17th overall among MLB players. $285 MM would have been the 3rd highest overall value among this years FA, but only 13th overall among MLB players. You're right, I can see where that was an underwhelming offer. The Twins offered more in AAV over 10 years (insane amount of years by the way) but are still being dogged by the fanbase for an "underwhelming offer." They were used to get more years and money. I want your number so I can sell you my house instead of taking an "underwhelming offer." I'll sell it to you for more money, but I'll give you more years to pay it off.

For starters, 13/$350 is not the right cost. It is what the market played out to be, which was too high, in my opinion. I am all for trading Arraez in the right deal, very unpopular on here right now. The team has 4 corner OF's that bat LH, include 1 in a deal that brings a good return. Do not trade just get rid of 1 because there are too many (no such thing). I do not think that Farmer should be the opening day SS, but I also do not want the team to panic and overpay or rush a prospect because they didn't get Correa. I don't think the team should sign Rodon as I don't think a 7 year contract ends well and I think the prospects (pipeline if you will) are coming. However, if they do sign him, one or two of these prospects brings back value in a trade. I think Fulmer is better $$$ spent than Robertson if they decide to sign a FA RP. Also there are plenty of in-house options to build a BP. Teams like the Twins are always going to have to develop most of their own players. The caveat to this is that players don't always develop as hoped and stop-gaps will need to be signed until the next prospect hopefully develops. This is what Falvey and Levine have done their whole careers, and how the Twins have run for generations. Expecting a change is unrealistic and, highly doubtful.

I am all about adding the right players at the right cost, not spending $$$ just to spend $$$. Too many TD posters come on here to rant about their hatred for the FO and play fantasy GM for a day, but forget that they're not dealing with their drunk buddy in a fantasy league or have tweaked the settings on their MLB the Show video game so that teams and players accept their unrealistic offers. Social media fuels this by constantly updating bits and pieces of offers and the teams involved, getting fan bases to act like spoiled children who have had their favorite toy taken away when their favorite team loses out on a player. This year more than any other has showed that the players and agents are using teams to get their biggest offer, and the Twins have been one of those teams that has been used.

As a hitter, yes, Contreras has the advantage. But 5/$87, no thank you, Vazquez will do just fine. Haniger is a west coast native and seemed pretty intent on staying there, but yes, 3/$43.5 seems reasonable for him. But, like Buxton, he has a history of injuries and would do the team no good on the IL. Robertson will be 38 shortly after opening day, he could fall of the proverbial cliff very quickly. At 1/$10 his role is already covered by younger players under longer team control.

Remember, Rodon is also represented by Boras.....

I think I would rather see Andrus or Iglesias for one season (not a fan of either).

Yeah, sorry about that.....???

After reading comments on this thread and others about the teams FO, I don't think I would let most of these posters (posers?) be the GM of my Fantasy baseball team, more less the GM of a MLB team. If you guys think that team was so focused on Correa that they let other players "slip" away you are very delusional. There are more than enough FO members, assistants and interns to keep in contact with all players and agents, all keeping Falvey and/or Levine up-to-date on negotiations. Realistically, who does everyone think the team should have "tried harder" to sign? Judge? Wasn't going to happen, he turned down more $$$ and years to stay in NY. Turner? Turned down more $$$ to go back to the east coast. Bogaerts? Boras played that one correctly, getting every teams "back-up plan" SS to sign first, and at a very steep commitment to the Padres at that. Nimmo? Boy did the Mets get played on that contract, $62 MM more guaranteed money than Buxton. Haniger? Maybe, but he's 32, has a history of injuries and he's from the west coast, San Francisco is close to family. Verlander or deGrom? Not happening, too expensive. Bassitt, Walker, Taillon, Elflin? If you believe in your system and feel it is going to produce soon, you don't sign aging veterans to 3 and 4 year contracts, especially veterans with past injury issues. Clevinger or Syndergard? Veteran pitchers with injury history on 1 year make-good or build-value contracts, where have we heard this before? Rodon may be in play, but he is on record as saying he prefers NYY as his landing spot, why outbid them for a guy who doesn't want to be anywhere else. But if 5/$135 gets it done, do it.* Swanson may also be in play, but he has sat back and watched Correa, Turner and Bogaerts get stupid $$$ for stupid years, he has got to be thinking "I can get some of that." But if 6/$141 gets it done, do it.* * + FanGraphs/CrowdSource estimates. I think we will some FA signings and some trades and we may be very surprised who is involved. Or maybe not. Either way, Falvey and Levine etc... are building this team around expectations of prospects future performance, just like every previous FO this team has had, good or bad.

In the wake of losing the Carlos Correa sweepstakes, it appears other teams may smell blood in the water and are calling about starting pitchers Sonny Gray and Kenta Maeda. Should the Twins decide to start trading pieces for 2023, this could signal a massive mid-offseason pivot that is rare to see in baseball and probably unprecedented in the history of the Minnesota Twins organization. What do you think? Should the Twins pivot this drastically in a division that once again looks weak in 2023? View full rumor

Well, the Yankees are supposedly interested in Kepler, maybe the Twins get Kiner-Falefa back and 1 or 2 young P's in return. Also think we see Arraez as part of a deal for Lopez at this point.

You saw a 13 year deal from another team coming last spring?? How did you not win the $$ Billion powerball??

For a little perspective, Rod Carew played 12 seasons for the Twins, Kirby Puckett played his whole career, 12 seasons, for the Twins, and Joe Mauer played his whole career, 15 seasons, for the Twins. Correa has already played 8 seasons and has an injury history attached to him, don't see this contract as being very team friendly in about 5 years.

Looks like Boras kept him on the market long enough for the Mets to join in. He isn't signing here,,,

Opt outs are used to build value, Swanson's value is as high as it will ever be, so opt outs make zero sense for him.

The biggest reason why Swanson is not Carlos Correa is arm strength, and it is the reason why he won't stick at SS. His arm strength was 48/50 among SS making 100 throws. Hell, it would have been 40/70 among 2B with 100 throws (.3 MPH stronger than Polanco, and we know he's not a SS). Some teams can afford $25 MM/yr at 2B, the Twins cannot, and with all the prospects, do not need to.

Nah, the Marlins didn't like all the arthritis in Arraez's knee's.....

I thought I saw the same thing!! Was driving me crazy that I couldn't find it again....

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/yankees-have-discussed-outfield-trades-with-twins-diamondbacks.html View full rumor

I don't see SD trading Kim this off-season because Machado can, and probably will, opt out of his contract after next season. He could surprise everyone and elect to not opt out, like Arrenado, but Machado doesn't impress me as a team-first kind of guy.

Rodon now wants 7 years and Bassitt wants 4 years. If you think Correa's contract will be dead weight after 4-5 years, these two will get there in half the time. This year has been crazy with all the long-term contracts, many of which will not look good as the player ages. Rodon for 5 years max and Bassitt for 2 or 3 with a vesting option and a mutual option would be more palatable.

I'm not a big fan/believer of BTV, but those three for Lopez is a wash according to their assigned values.