mnfireman

Arraez by himself does not land Lopez

Justin Verlander just won a Cy Young at 39 after having TJ surgery and only making 1 start the previous 2 seasons, but his last good season was at 36..... By no means is Cole Hamels on the same level as Verlander, but I (almost) found the comparison you were looking for.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/guardians-sign-josh-bell.html View full rumor

In the current MLB, BA average means less than OPS or wRC. Analytics have de-valued the stats us older guys grew up looking at on the back of the baseball card....

To those TD posters wanting to trade with Milwaukee..... https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/brewers-reportedly-planning-to-hold-onto-adames-burnes-woodruff-into-2023-season.html View full rumor

He wants 6 years.....

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/carlos-rodon-rumors-six-year-deal-free-agency.html View full rumor

This! Players/agents can hold up the market all they want, but if a player doesn't get signed, then he and his agent can claim collusion.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/giants-have-carlos-correa-as-top-option-among-free-agent-shortstops.html View full rumor

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/athletics-moving-closer-to-sean-murphy-trade-braves-considered-the-frontrunners.html View full rumor

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/rangers-sign-jacob-degrom-to-five-year-contract.html View full rumor

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/brewers-trade-kolten-wong-mariners-jesse-winker-abraham-toro.html View full rumor

I have continued doing my homework on Toronto's catchers and their team in general. Maybe I set the ask for Moreno too high, but I think Toronto asks big for him. They have a top closer in Jordan Romero, so they don't need Duran, unless they plan on converting him to a starter, which they do need. They also need a LH batting OF after trading Teoscar Hernandez. They also have an above average Utility player in Whit Merrifield, but he will be 34 on opening day and has been trending downward since 2019. They carried 3 catchers all year in order to use Kirk at DH regularly, releasing Tyler Heineman in May and Zach Collins in September, both of whom were picked up by Pittsburgh. According to BTV (some TD posters favorite place to build trades) Moreno's median value is 53.7, Kirk's median value is 39.3, and Jansen's median value is 24.9. These values would make Jansen the most likely to be traded, but I've read where Toronto really likes him. And they don't have to trade any of them, they could carry 3 catchers and use 1 of them as the DH. I won't post all the Twins median values unless I include them in a proposed trade and I won't include Duran, Miranda or Polanco as they don't fit Toronto's current needs. Kepler (5.8) and Arraez (19.7) might get Jansen Larnach (14.6) and Mahle (11.2) might get Jansen Arraez (19.7) and Gray (6.1) might get Jansen Kepler (5.8) and Ober (19.5) might get Jansen Kepler(5.8), Thielbar (13.4) and Gray (6.1) or Gordon (6.7) might get Jansen Kirilloff (11.9) and Mahle (11.2) and Jax (.7), Lopez (.7), or Pagan (0) might get Jansen Kepler (5.8), Arraez (19.7) and Mahle (11.2) might get Kirk (might have to add Jax, Pagan, or Lopez ) Larnach (14.6), Arraez (19.7) and Gray (6.1) might get Kirk Kirilloff (11.9), Arraez (19.7) and Mahle (11.2) might get Kirk (Twins lose 2/3s of 1B options) Arraez (19.7) Thielbar (13.4) and Gray (6.1) or Gordon (6.7) might get Kirk Lee (38.9) or Ryan (38.6) and Jax (.7), Lopez (.7) or Pagan (0) (or 2 of the 3) might get Kirk Lee (38.9) or Ryan (38.6) and Arraez (19.7) might get Moreno Lee (38.9) or Ryan (38.6), Kirilloff (11.9) and Gordon (6.7) might get Moreno There are many more possible combinations, but these are enough to show that it will take a lot to get 1 of the Toronto catchers.

I'm thinking Toronto values him at pretty close to his actual worth, and will then ask for a little more as is their right...

Moreno isn't the starter yet and he put up a .733 OPS as a 22 yr old. Jansen put up a .640 OPS as a starter in 2019....

I'd think Toronto would start the conversation by asking for Lee, Duran and possibly Arraez, Gordon or Kirilloff. Are you willing to go that big??

Reports say that if Toronto deals a catcher it would most likely be Jansen. He'll be 28 shortly after opening day, but still under team control until 2025. Moreno was their top prospect and made his debut last year, and I'm sure the Twins don't have the prospects/players to make a deal for him.

I was wrong about when he went on the IL, he played 79 games in 2021. Also found this on mlb.com; Rookie Eligibility Definition A player shall be considered a rookie unless he has exceeded any of the following thresholds in a previous season (or seasons): • 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues. • 45 total days on an active Major League roster during the Championship Season (excluding time on the Injured List). A player must have rookie eligibility to be considered for any MLB rookie awards -- such as the American League or National League Rookie of the Year Award -- or appear on any MLB Pipeline prospect lists. So, Lewis maintains his rookie status.