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Article: Winter Meetings - Search For A Starter
gunnarthor replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Sano is represented by roc nation, just like his idol, Robinson Cano. http://rocnation.com/miguel-sano/ Lewis is a Boras client (and so is Gerritt Cole)- 169 replies
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Article: Winter Meetings - Search For A Starter
gunnarthor replied to Seth Stohs's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I thought a trade for Cole would have to include Gordon and Romero/Gonsalves but I think Jay and Granite is a roughly equal to that. I like Gordon a lot (I think he's our #1 prospect) and Jay could be an absolute killer in the pen but his injury history is such that I think its ok to move on. But he could really come back to bite us. But Cole could be a nice piece in our rotation. I think the deal is fair - might be a bit too kind to Pitt and maybe they need to throw in a small piece back - but it's certainly a decent starting place for a negotiation.- 169 replies
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Well, Kintzler was actually pretty good, so .... I think there are two issues and one is being ignored or missed. The first issue was "is trading Kintzler good for the season?" That's been addressed. Team had 5% chance of making playoffs, yada, yada, yada. But the second question, "is a weakened bullpen a problem if we make the playoffs", is being ignored. And let's remember that we didn't get a great prospect back for him. We got a c-level prospect. He'll be 21 next year and likely pitching in high A ball. He didn't make Sickels top 20. MLBpipeline seems to be the highest on him and has him at 18 in our system. According to them, his fastball rarely touches 90. He has no plus pitches, he has control problems. They think he still has some room for projection left as he grows into his body but I suspect that part will change in their next write up. Other writers have been less kind. And that's the prospect that the FO decided was worth getting in exchange for weakening a bullpen in the post-season.
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One could think that making our bullpen worse for a C-level prospect was a mistake regardless of a one game playoff in NY. Perhaps the fact that we had a weak bullpen made us have to use two starters in one game? I think fans have gone a little overboard about trading talent. It seems like some are ok so long as we did 'something' because something is better than nothing when that's not necessarily true.
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This wasn't the first year the Twins used the bonus pool to nab extra talent - they did it in 2015 and 2016 as well. And they traded Kinztler, a pending FA, at the deadline. I'm not sure that's different than the other deadline deals like Liriano for Hernandez and Escobar. They've used all their bonus pool money every year (assuming they do something with the 1.25 they have left this year). I'm not sure that Littell and Enns is better than Ynoa and 4m but I'm not sure they aren't, either. Maybe they could have done something else with that 4m? The IBP money fiasco this year isn't, in my mind, an example of them being creative. They went from a top Latin American prospect to two c prospects with a few failed targets in between.
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Nah, Twins could've won a one-game playoff and certainly could have taken a series from Cleveland. Sure, they would've been underdogs but (depending on the price) upgrading the roster would have been a worthwhile premise for the FO. In any event, the past is the past. The Twins window is currently open and it'll be interesting to see how Lavine deals with it.
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Baddoo could do it on the position player side. Graterol and Thorpe have true ace potential (in the last five years or so, only six or seven Twins prospects could arguably have that kind of upside - Meyer, Stewart, Jay, Berrios, Thorpe and maybe Romero and Graterol). The "Kepler second tier" prospect group (not quite elite but damn good, probably ranked 20-40ish on lists) could include quite a number of these guys like Kiriloff, Rooker, Gordon, Miranda (I like him a lot, too), etc.
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The reality is that Lavine is using the same roadmap that Ryan used but so far his moves are working out. And that's basically what we should expect. Both stayed cheap in FA, signed discount bullpen arms. Both signed rule v picks and made waiver claims, let young guys play, traded off upcoming FA, etc. Our payroll was bottom third last year. I expect it will remain bottom third for the foreseeable future. So Levine is going to have to make trades, find FA bargains and rely on young players. That's more or less been what the Twins have had to do for 25 years and it'll continue. I liked last years draft but I'm not ready to put it ahead of 2012 or 2016 (the secret of all three drafts was the number of picks in the first few rounds, not necessarily high draft position). IBP money for prospects is fine with me. I'd have been fine with them signing someone, too. Just so long as they use it. We won't know how good Lavine is for several years but I like him a lot and think he'll be a very good GM. But I do think we should wait a little bit for all this excitement.
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That was the original deal. But when they found an anomaly in his arm, they demanded another pick from Aiken - Mac Marshall. Aiken and his agent said no, stalemate happened and none of the three kids were able to sign. Nix was able to file grievance.
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That's not quite right. People were pissed that the Astros were using the injury as a way to secure a third player (after Jacob Nix) named Mac Marshall out of Aiken's bonus. The medical issue they saw was similar to other picks and those picks had their bonuses lowered by several hundred thousand dollars, not 1.5m, which coincidentally happened to be Marshall's demand. Nix and Marshall's agreements were therefore locked into a third party (Aiken). Nix filed his grievance against the Astros and won (Astros settled for 1m+ before the arbitrator ruled against them). I'm hoping that the Twins didn't **** over Marte on the hopes of getting a better prospect but I think they did.
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Honestly, I'm not sure but I think it's roughly fair. 1m on the IBP isn't all that much - most elite players sign for more and you can go the quantity route and nab some guys for less - so I think what we got in return - avg ML regular guys as ceilings - is decent. Also, we're not paying money (Pohlad = cheap) but rather giving our ability to spend money to the other teams. At the end of the day, I think this was a defensible move and far better than not doing anything (which is what I thought they'd do) but it's also not evidence that Levine is playing three dimensional chess while Ryan would be playing checkers.
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They changed it to after the world series.
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I agree with #1 - if the new FO can keep the window of opportunity open it'll be because they were able to bring up another wave of prospects like Ryan was able to do. But #2 - we're too far away from having an idea on that. Yes the draft looks good but these kids have been playing ball for 3 months. Way too early to determine if they drafted well.
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I'm not opposed to this move but it's not something to get too excited about yet. Both are probably outside our top 20 prospects but are probably better bets than 16 year old kids so I'm good with it.
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