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You didn’t address my point about the virus not being contained. You also seem sure “it” will only be a year. Why such confidence? I’ve read reports that call that timeline wildly optimistic. So let me take a different tack with you. It appears the NFL is still planning to go ahead with training camp in late July. Do you agree with that? Do you think football—all football— should be cancelled in the fall? Do you think the public (these are football fans, remember—a much different breed than baseball fans) do you think they will accept that there’s no football in the fall and continued sheltering through next winter? When you answer, keep in mind that this would not be “regular life, but without the football.” We are talking about sheltering indoors, shortages, unemployment, despair, all of that continuing etc -
It looks like covid-19 is here to stay. The world was not able to contain it because it was too easily transmittable. So, if the virus isn’t going away, and a safe vaccine is still many, many years away... well... I’d be happy to hear your thoughts or anyone else’s thoughts. It may be that staging a makeshift MLB baseball season is part of the solution. To get real life, or some semblance of our past way of life, back up and running. I am not saying this to inflame anyone or to sound asinine. MLB and MLBPA are asking the questions about how to make this work, rightfully so, in my opinion.
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I see your point of view. Yes, money is involved, but this isn’t about greed. I would think the owners are taking the biggest financial hit.
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See, I see it as hopeful. Restoring some semblance of the life we had has risk, obviously, but also has its benefits. Some of the baseball contingencies proposed here seem wild but could be an opportunity. The 7-inning doubleheaders was something I was hoping for and wondering about myself.
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I don’t disagree, but a counterpoint to that is that the people who study these things have always warned that we won’t be prepared, period. No qualifiers like “we won’t be prepared, unless we stockpile ventilators” or “millions will die if we don’t do this or that” or “we won’t be ready if government is divided...” Just plain “we won’t be ready.”
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I appreciate that you are of a mind to ask questions.
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Well, right. I would want baseball to resume safely and responsibly above all. The good news is that the sports leagues have the resources to figure out how to do that. I wish to remain optimistic that it is possible to do so. God save us if we have to cancel football season in the fall. Might as well try starting baseball up to see how it goes.
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Like but dislike! I am wondering what the internal discussions are. Maybe they could do another two-week modified training camp at their local sites and then a couple weeks of spring training, using the games already on the calendar, and start a shortened season after the All Star break. If the players want to play, I think MLB should try to make it work. However, the players might refuse, might need to remain separated from their families even during homestands, and games in empty parks seems downright depressing. Lots of moving parts to consider. Seems like they could sterilize their environments and make it work. I am an optimist. It would be a sad looking season, but better than nothing. The alternative in my opinion is worse.
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“On the morning of September 7, 2018, 81 days after Joe had left the zoo, he went to a local hospital to apply for a third job. It was a sunny Florida day—there was dew on the grass; the temperature was just right. Joe parked near the hospital and stepped down from his blue Ford F-150 with his résumé in hand...” He wanted to start a career in health care! Just think, if not for those meddling kids, Joe could be helping fight the coronavirus right now...
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Ugh. I’m sorry you didn’t get to run this piece. The article this poster linked to is a prime example of what a pandemic response should look like: a phone call from a governor and coordination across industry. (I am citing a 2005 article by Osterholm in Foreign Affairs for that claim.)
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Everything's coming up Roses..
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Early on I thought this would be just like the flu, except that without immunity more people would get it. Now I think this is going to be much more deadly; we are in a pandemic. I don’t know if the public health cost will be worse if we lock down and flatten the curve or if we let the coronavirus spike through the population and subside more quickly. I know that is extremely unpopular and sounds heartless. I’m not convinced one option is better than another because medical appointments are already being postponed and patients refused care because hospitals need to prepare for what’s coming not to mention the psychological toll and breakdown of general order that an extended quarantine order would have, which unlike China not everyone in the US would comply with anyway, then, the waves of outbreaks we are told to expect again once the orders are lifted, until the vaccine is ready, 12-18 months, living like this. Another awful question is who gets priority once the vaccine is ready.
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You are wrong.
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Trust doctors and scientists, true, but doctors and scientists have made claims they didn’t know to be true, too. There is something called YPLL — Years of Potential Life Lost. It’s something doctors and scientists use to measure the impact of pandemics. Osterholm’s own center uses it. I don’t know much else about it, other than it seems abhorrent. Doctors and scientists. We’re all flying blind. I’m not trying to “win” this argument against you. Just sharing with you all the dead ends I am encountering. I want to believe there is a right way to proceed, too, but I’m not finding it.
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The one thing I took from diehard’s post (if forced to narrow it down to one thing) is that there are social costs to the other side of this, that are unknown but surely just as grave. I don’t agree with all of the information in his post, nor do I find myself really agreeing with much of anyone’s posts here, even my own earlier posts. Because I think statistics are almost meaningless and unknowable right now.
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ahem, its not like he would have missed any games for us...
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I’m only predicting that people will want to get back into a routine before 18 months passes, and we should start planning for that. Also, over time, maybe the larger burden of taking precautions should be transferred to us in the at-risk group, and everyone else should learn to accept a higher level of overall risk. I really don’t know.
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I would break glass or bend steel for your right to travel to see your family during this time.
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Would you live like this for 18 months? Do you think the general public will? Do you think this virus will ever be eradicated?
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For how long are you willing to practice social distancing (closed restaurants, no baseball, no school, etc)? For how long do you think the general public is willing to practice social distancing? How much or how little risk are you willing to tolerate of catching this virus?
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I think people in general have a tough time saying “I don’t know” so I think that is refreshing when they do. The next step is deciding which experts to listen to.
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I ask for data because I lthink we have to start with something we can all agree on. Otherwise, it’s just my gut feeling against your gut feeling, my gut feeling being valid, and yours not. I also think we need to try to come together as much as possible. I hope we don’t interpret social distancing to mean social isolating.
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What data do you have on NBA players?
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Obviously you are talking about me and how I was posting testing numbers. I was posting those because, with so much conflicting information out there, I felt it was the best data we had. It wasn't much. I know that. And, obviously the numbers are skyrocketing daily, and worrisome. in any case, I decided after your previous post yesterday that I was going to stop posting those numbers.
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(dead on the inside only)
