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  1. Dman
    If it was True leverage the Twins would have never been involved in the first place as Boston would have just taken Maeda. They didn't so I think that speaks for itself. The one benefit Boston would gain in your Scenario is that they only pay for performance. With Prices contract they pay 30M whether he pitches or not. if Maeda can't pitch they only pay approximately 18M versus 30M for Price but that is a worse case scenario. Wouldn't it be better to have a young pitcher with upside. I think Boston thinks so.
  2. Dman
    Right but the Red Sox are paying half of Prices salary regardless of whether he pitches in Boston or not so that is 15M spent no matter what. With incentives Meada made 8M last year and can make up 10 or 11M depending on how many innings he makes it. So best case scenario for Boston is he pitches well and earns the 10M plus add in the 15M for Price and it equals 25M total. Why not just keep Price at 30M then?
  3. Dman
    They could do that but it doesn't make much sense if they are trying to shed money. If Maeda pitches well he will cost them 10M for the year and with Boston paying 15M for Price that equals 25 M for about the same level of pitching. Why not just keep Price at that point? If Maeda doesn't make the 10M incentives then all they got for Mookie is an Outfielder. I think they really want to go young and inexpensive with upside. Makes more sense if trying to get below the cap. I don't see Maeda as an option for them personally.
  4. Dman
    LA has some nice pitching prospects in the top 100. Maybe someone Boston likes better? They could easily cut the Twins out it just seemed better for them with the Twins in as they can get rid of Maeda and not have to pay in prospects. Maybe they can trade Maeda to somebody else for more? They don't need pitching as badly as we do. Or the Dodgers could keep Graterol and send one of their pitchers Boston likes better over to them. Lots of things could happen.
  5. Dman
    Yeah gotta say if I'm the Twins I would say Peace, we out. Good luck finding someone who will give up that much for Maeda. I looked at the top 100 on MLB.com and I can't think of a single team that would be willing to give up their top 100 pitcher for him. If they think they can find a better deal or if the Dodgers want to do this without the Twins I say go for it. If they will take someone like Raley or maybe Wade I could see bending as we have too many outfielders anyway. If they are willing to take a flier on a GCL guy sure but top 10 seems harsh. Seems like they don't really want to make the deal to me then.
  6. Dman
    Yeah I am over reacting a bit. I just thought the original deal seemed fair and Boston is getting a heck of deal as it is so to ask for more riled me up some. Have to wait and see how this turns out first before getting more worked up.
  7. Dman
    Trade rumors says formal announcement later today. I wonder what changes they made to get the deal done? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/minnesota-twins
  8. Dman
    In B\R they are reporting Boston wants another top prospect from the Twins to get this done. What is Maeda really worth? Can someone help me out here? He is 32 and not going to better only worse as time goes on. While he helps us some this year he doesn't look like someone who will be much better than Pineda or Odo in the Playoffs. Why do we want to help Boston rebuild right away? Keep them over the tax that hurts them more. This is a salary dump why should Boston come out on top? I sure hope they don't give up yet another top 100 prospect that just seems insane to me. Please, please torpedo this deal I would love to have the world laughing at Boston. There one chance at a value deal will be gone.
  9. Dman
    It is not like the Twins are getting Betts in this deal they are getting a decent 32 year old pitcher. Is any other team out there willing to offer up a top 50 pitcher for this guy? I doubt it. I say take it or leave it at this point. If they want Poppen instead of Graterol get it done but not throwing in anything more than Brusdar for Maeda. When looking at future projection Boston\Dodgers are already winning the deal. There is no reason to add more that I can see. Let them both choke on the deal or let them find someone who will give them more. Good luck with that.
  10. Dman
    Per MLB trade rumors this whole thing might die. Sounds like Boston wants more from the Twins. I know the Dodgers won't want to pony up more than they have already as they have offered a lot for one year of a player. I really kind of hope this trade fails and Boston stays over the cap. I think that hurts them the most long term and I would like to beat the Sox while they are down. Keep those penalties coming or let them sell off their assets for lessor value at the deadline. Meada might be nice to have but we don't Need him that badly. The Dodgers can get Betts this coming off-season for virtually nothing. If I were them I would just wait it out.
  11. Dman
    It seems like a faulty assumption to say that he was still a pitching prospect. I mean after the Twins publicly said he would pitch out of the bullpen this year didn't he lose that value already? I guess one could still hope he could start after being in the bullpen ala Santana but odds are the bullpen is where he he was going to end up. The Red Sox stated they thought he could be a starter but looking at medicals they think reliever is likely as well. Even scouting reports were not certain he was starter material since he had never pitched very many innings per year. I don't think he lost or loses anymore value from Boston confirming what the Twins already knew, Until the Twins could prove he was more than a bullpen arm his value was a bullpen arm. He might go the way of Romero hard to say but he has pitched well at every level he has been at so far and he has been young for each level. He throws over 100 and has a good slider so I think odds are he is at least good out of the pen but who knows at this point. Elite gets tricky not many arms make it there. I personally think the odds are in his favor to at least be decent out of the pen and he should improve as time goes on unless of course his arm fails him a risk all pitchers have. If we get him back he has virtually the same value he always had unless of course he pitches poorly this year which brings a whole new set of data points. If he pitches lights out then his value remains or trends up depending on how dominant he is. Same as any other prospect.
  12. Dman
    I don't think that Boston would necessarily damage their rep over the Graterol Medicals. Remember Atlanta did the same thing when we tried to trade Burdi to them. We ended up giving them Ynoa instead. So these things do happen. I don't know what is in the medicals that bothers them but I would guess it is legit. Since they are only getting two players back they need to make sure they are getting healthy players. If I had to guess there might be some scar tissue in Brusdar's shoulder or elbow or something. Probably not super serious but enough to give them pause. So I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted a different player altogether. The question in my mind comes down to whether or not the Dodgers are willing to take on the Brusdar risk. They still need to get rid of Maeda so still might be inclined to make the deal with Minnesota and give Boston something different. Hard to say how this all works out but even if we are shut out and get Brusdar back it isn't the end of the world either.
  13. Dman
    I am not worried if the Twins get written out of this trade. Maeda wasn't a huge needle mover as it is. Who cares if Graterol's trade value sinks for the moment. One good to great year as a reliever and all that talk is out the window. I'll take the 6 years of good to elite reliever if Boston won't and our young pitchers can't be that worse than Maeda anyway. How Boston ever viewed him as a starter to begin with is odd given all the info out there.Unless his arm falls off Graterol has plenty of value as is just not as a starter.
  14. Dman
    Boston can't expect some massive Prospect gain when they are dumping salary it just doesn't work that way. Also it's only 1 year of Betts not 2 or 3 just one. They are getting a fantastic deal as it is even without Graterol. Graterol is just a nice sweatner LA can give up because MN was willing to trade for Maeda and with Price they don't need Maeda. I just don't see how Boston can ask for much more here. I mean to fit Price in LA had to do a salary dump of their own with the Angels. I know the Boston fans and the press don't like the deal but this is what a salary dump looks like and it really is a good deal for Boston as they get 5 years of a player that come close to replacing what Betts does for much less and rid themselves of Price in the process. It just doesn't get much better than that for one year of a player.
  15. Dman
    Totally Agree with you. Getting 5 years of Verdugo for one year year of Betts is already a good deal for Boston not to mention the 30M in salary LA is taking on. Anything beyond that should be considered a bonus. Moving Price and 15M of his salary is also something LA has to take on all for just one year of Mookie Betts. Boston is already getting a hell of deal they don't need more.
  16. Dman
    So for Boston what was the thinking? Was Bostons goal to just replace Mookie's position and grab a cheaper starter to replace Price? Is that why they just got the two prospects? They couldn't afford to take Maeda for Price and also pay down half of Prices salary because they might have payed essentially the same amount as keeping price and Prices numbers are not that different from Maeda's? The Dodgers didn't want to give up one of their prized pitching prospects or needed to make room in their rotation so were looking for a third team who would want Maeda for a stud young pitching starter to satisfy Boston and Graterol was the choice? Is the reason there were only two prospects in the deal because Verdugo although not Betts but still very, very good and with 5 years of control to Mookies 1 plus the added salary the Dodgers have to take on makes this essentially a one for one deal? Also Boston is asking the Dodgers to take on even more salary by forcing them to take Price? It seems like LA is giving up quite a bit for one year of Mookie Betts to me. Even if Graterol might only be a reliever hasn't LA given up enough for one year of Betts? I don't know if Boston doesn't like that deal I say let them choke on it.
  17. Dman
    He has been young for the levels he has been at all the way up and performed reasonably well. His K9 and WHIP have not been as good as I had hoped when we got him but like the article stated the projection is still there and still on track. A big year this year and he makes all the previous angst go away. If he does develop as hoped we are going to have good young pitching coming up in the next few years.,
  18. Dman
    Well if they thought Brusdar was starter material I can see why they have cold feet knowing he is likely reliever material. The way I see it we traded Brusdar to the Dodgers so that they could flip him to Boston so hopefully the Dodgers can throw in a lottery ticket or two and take some of heat off of the Boston FO. If not then I guess Mookie stays in Boston and the trade dies. Will have to wait and see how this works out. Personally I think Bloom should have asked for some Lotto picks from the beginning. It would have just made the trade look better even if it wasn't that much better. Friedman can afford to drop another prospect or two into this deal as they have a strong farm system and a strong MLB team.
  19. Dman
    While I agree with your thesis in general there are a lot of ways to look at pitcher drafting strategies. We did not do well picking Stewart 4th overall and Jay 6th overall so picking a pitcher early does not guarantee success finding an ace. The year we drafted Lewis number 1 overall was top heavy with pitching and we passed on that and used the savings on a high riser Leach in the second round Who has been hurt and slow to develop and high schooler Enlow who has been solid but not great. This FO seems to believe they can more easily identify successful traits for hitters in early rounds and seem to shy away from pitchers until the later rounds. My assumption is that they truly believe in TINSTAPP. IN the later rounds they look for pitchers with ideal builds that have a plus pitch to work with and then I guess they hope they can develop that pitcher. They also seem to grab over looked injured pitchers that had good stuff before they were injured and hope they return to form once healed. Pitchers I would put in this category are Barnes, Sammons, Ober, Sands, Windor, Funderburk, Gipson Long, Headrick, Mooney and Lawyerson. Will any of these guys work out? hard to say. Do any of them look like aces or even a number 3 type starter maybe one or two could be a number 3 if they get lucky. It is really hard to find good pitching which is why it is always in short supply but it would be nice if they picked a few more guys a bit higher up to get more chances at finding someone special. Honestly I don't know what the answer is but if they are at least getting guys in the early rounds that work out as quality or star position players it seems better than a swing and complete miss but for a team like the Twins if we don't develop good pitching we will likely never have any. And if as you say no one wants our position players for pitching then we are in a spot where we need to risk taking pitchers high or grabbing greater volume to find what we need in the draft. Hopefully the FO has a plan that will better than what we have experienced in the past.
  20. Dman
    Hard to get too excited about Canterino and Wallner just yet because they haven't even played a full season in pro ball, but I agree they had decent debuts. Also hard to rank them but given their draft postion this seems about right. I know Javier is young and has a lot of potential high end tools but after watching him I really don't think he belongs in the top 20. I didn't see anything that led me to believe he looked better than the worst guy on the Cedar Rapids team. He really needs to up his game this year or I predict he will fall off the prospect map. I like Thorpe and I think he is the best Left handed pitching prospect we have had in a long time. Right now the results don't match the stuff though. He has a tendency to walk guys and allow the big hit far too often. Better control would probably go a long ways toward him reaching his potential. I still like him a lot and have no problem with where he is ranked. Celestino should be higher IMO. After he warmd up last year he was arguably one of the best hitters in the system and for a center fielder he looks like he has all the tools to be a good one. Arm might be a little light but not Ben Revere noodle arm either. I am really excited about this kid. Still needs to continue to do well at the higher levels but I agree with the other poster who said he should be close to untradable as he is starting to realize much of his projected potential. It's another good list just not quite as exciting as the list before it because of Javier and the two players that are so new it is hard to pin down how good they are.
  21. Dman
    I had the same question myself last night. Why didn't Boston just take Maeda from LA. He is a good value for starting pitcher and with Price gone they needed someone decent in the rotation. They still have a shot a world series why go for the prospect? The only thing I could come up with is they really wanted to clear salary more than they let on. The other thought is they don't think Maeda is a needle mover in the AL. It is that aspect of the trade that worries me some. Graterol is only 21 and he makes throwing 100 look incredibly easy. The shoulder impingment last year is worrisome (brings back Alex Meyer anxiety) but hard to say if that means he can't start. At any rate it seems like a good gamble for Boston. His floor is elite reliever and being so young he should be around a good long time in Boston. I was OK with the Twins starting the year with Dobnak, Thorpe and Smeltzer filling in but as many have pointed out that left very little depth if the team encountered injuries and banking on Rich Hills perfect recovery doesn't seem like a leap of faith you take with the kind of team we have right now. Adding Maeda seems like it raises the bar for the rotation and adds depth to the rotation so we should all breath a little easier to start the season. Is this the ace type needle mover we all felt was needed? I don't think so. Was it worth trading Graterol for Meada? If Graterol turns out to only be reliever then I think this is an OK move if he is more than that we lose this trade big time. One last thought. We still have Duran, Balazovic and maybe Colina who are hard throwers with plenty of wild cards in Canterino, Sands, Rijo and Vallimont who could have pretty good stuff. Still plenty of pitching in the system so not the end of the world. I hate losing that big arm (a true 100 mph dream arm) and I hope this works in our favor but I have my doubts.
  22. Dman
    Not sure what to think just yet. First reaction is I don't like the trade but as it sets in I guess this might not be such a bad deal. We need starting pitching help now and Graterol can't provide that right now. Also there are questions as to whether his arm can hold up to starters innings or not. If his arm can hold up I think we got fleeced if he really is just a reliever then this is not a bad get for a solid to elite reliever when you need a starter really badly. I don't like Meada's age. Can we really get 4 years out of this guy? I know we need help now and I guess if he breaks down the cost in salary is not bad. I guess this comes down to how good Graterol becomes. If he does become that hard throwing ace I think I will be sick to my stomach every time we play Boston. I am trusting the FO on this one and sure hope they got this one right or the fan base will never let them forget it. We wanted a trade for decent starting pitcher we got it. Are we happy?
  23. Dman
    I think Walker is a perfect fit for the Mariners. They should be able to give him a decent offer and if he performs they could net a coveted prospect or two for their system at the deadline. I think if the Twins want him they will have to offer more than other teams would. If he is healthy he is likely smart to wait this out until spring training as he could end up starting for some team as there will likely be injuries or greater concern about rotations as the spring wears on.
  24. Dman
    On this list I am most excited about Sands. I didn't expect much from a 5th round pick with not particularly great College stats so he has exceeded expectations for me. His numbers from A ball to AA never really wavered which tells me his stuff plays well and he has the control needed to make it in MLB. He goes right after hitters and dares them to hit his stuff. I know most scouts have him as a number 5 but I really think he ends up a three. I know it was just one year but I was really, really impressed with what he was able to do. I had high hopes for Miranda this past year and he really let me down. I know he was very young for the level and high A is tough on hitters but I thought he would at least manage a 700 something OPS the meager 650 he hit left me thinking what happened to that power stroke? He has time to right the ship but he is rule V eligible at the end of this year so he needs to perform like the great player I know he can become. Given the reports I have read I question if Colina is a starter or not. Still love his stuff but it feels like he is missing that quality third pitch he needs to be a starter. Maybe he finds it this year hard to say but without it I think he gets exposed as he moves up. If he does fail as a starter he should be a really good pen arm. He always seem to have good stats it was really just control holding him back but he looked better last year so here's hoping he finds a way to stick in the rotation. It is a very nice 16-20. Hoping to see improvement from these guys this year. We definitely need the pitchers to step up. Right now I am an optimistic believer in these guys.
  25. Dman
    Thought I also read an article that Seattle was interested in bringing him back so not sure if the Twins can get him or not. It does seem curious that he hasn't signed yet though. Is he waiting for the Twins to clear the Rich Hill 40 man spot so they can sign him to a guaranteed contract with a spot on the 40 man? Or since he hasn't pitched in forever are teams not that interested in giving him a 40 man spot? Not sure but he is really the only interesting piece left out there so why not roll the dice.
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