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  1. I think the real answer is neither, Joe Ryan isn't a top 10 or possibly top 20 starter in the American league (He is currently 50th in the American League in innings), maybe he could have been but Covid kind of killed that for him. Duran has been really good and has a pretty high WAR for a relief pitcher, I see him getting lost in the conversation, because of the terrible teams have relief pitchers with similiar numbers, and of course the big save guys will make it.
  2. Are people (not you) saying that the twins traded a former 1st round pick and pretty high pitching prospect and paid a guy 35 million this year with an opt out at the end of the year, so they could play rookies and young guys this year and plan on competing in 2 or 3 years? IMO they brought in guys to compete this year and traded Rogers because they got a couple of good/decent pitchers with a couple of years of control for a guy they had no intention on signing and no intention on trading away with in a pennant race. I also believe they thought they would be running all the young guys out and seeing what they had, just kind of happened all at once with the injuries.
  3. IMO if the Twins are getting a top guy like Montas for example, Ober or Winder are going to be part of the trade, with another pitching prospect and probably a highly rated fielder. Which is why I say forget starters and get relief pitchers with some of the mid tier prospects. I am pretty sure they could trade all the above guys and it wouldn't truly drain the pipeline, not saying they should do that.
  4. That is my favorite thing about prospects they will all be better than the prospects that have already made the majors.
  5. Miranda has played in 16/20 games this month and 38 of 48/49 games. Over a full season that is roughly 126 games for a rookie, that seems like a reasonable amount of playing time, especially with how bad his first month was. Currently he is sitting with a negative WAR (-.6) I see that getting much better, but if he goes the way of Larnach or AK last year and they trade Gio, things could get ugly. I believe the team is doing a job with Miranda, and if he continues to play well, he will get more and more playing time.
  6. Can't, Shouldn't, or won't be allowed to? All three could be correct I guess
  7. I agree with what you are saying, but... Yes, there is a ton of season left and I hope everybody steps up, but if the season ends as it is today (Out of the playoffs) and the offensive players not locking up their spot and the pitching continuing to get hurt and be sub par. Have they done enough is my question. In this scenario they were in position last year and failed, went into this season with hope and didn't build on it because next season would be the same as this season. (Yes, 100% speculation)
  8. I think you missed this "So if the Twins continue to fall back in the standings and miss the playoffs has this FO done enough to keep their jobs and what is left of the good will from the fans if more pitching doesn't step up?"
  9. The last two days has made this a much more tricky question. (and two games should never do that, but...) Maybe this team isn't as good as most of us hoped or thought and really is the team most people thought it was going to be coming into the season. (A rebuilding/get the prospects feet wet) That kind of puts the FO in a pickle, because while the offensive prospects and Duran have gotten their feet wet and gained experience the vaunted pitching pipeline hasn't. Ryan is Ryan (which is good) but I don't count him as part of the pipleline, sure Winder and Ober have gotten some innings and been decent to good but they have also been hurt it seems most of the year and that is the MO of this pitching pipeline. So if the Twins continue to fall back in the standings and miss the playoffs has this FO done enough to keep their jobs and what is left of the good will from the fans if more pitching doesn't step up? (Larnach, Celestino, and Jeffers (and Lewis) are this FO guys, but AK and Miranda are not) IMO the front office stays based on some of the pitching that still in the minors, but Rocco is gone and is the fall guy.
  10. The way I look at it is there is someplace between 28% and 29% he gets a hits. (Basically his career average), Kepler has a 24% chance of getting a hit. Neither of them are great odds. But if Correa moves the runners up, Kepler has 23 career sac flies or if they walk him, Sanchez already has 2 this year. Now since Correa doesn't have even one career sac bunt (that I can tell), the odds are he would have failed and this would be moot, but even giving a sign that he might bunt can change the fielders position and the pitches mind set
  11. In extra innings with guys at 1st and 2nd in a tie game, yup, shouldn't your number 4 batter be able to hit a fly ball? You need one run to win the game, I am going to do whatever it takes to win. Do I want Correa bunting in the first 9 innings or needing more than 1 run to win in extra innings, absolutely not.
  12. I would say it was most starters weren't allowed to start an inning at or above 100 pitches, not limited to 100. That is what made the piranha's so successful (and the darn Yankees) they could run the starting pitchers count up pretty quickly and get to the pen in the 5th or 6th inning, and if they could do in on the first night of the series it could affect the rest of the series (even in a loss)
  13. Fans complaining about managers/coaches and their decisions/choices how dare they. We need to stomp this out before it catches on in other sports and other cities.
  14. Did the Twins need 2 runs to win the game, nope just one, and they had a guy at second with no outs. So it sounds like they were thinking of bunting Buxton since he attempted it and the Indians pitcher walked him. So now they have base runners at first and second with no outs. If they were willing to bunt Buxton, why not Correa? Because they were afraid they would walk Kepler? Of course the next three guys struck out and they still had runners at first and second. Watching the replay's of those three at bats, Kepler looked like the only one of the three even trying to just get the ball into play. IMO
  15. Agree, I can't complain about Ryan's usage, or how he used Pagan and Duran. I also agreed with stealing Gordon (I would have done it one of the two pitches prior. The part I would complain is not bunting Buxton/Correa in the 10th.
  16. Having the bases loaded with no outs is a bad thing? EDIT: Having the bases loaded with one out is a bad thing?
  17. The Buxton that was 0 - 4 with 3 K's can't bunt? He walked so not horrible call not bunting, but in a tie game in the 10th with guys at 1st and 2nd and no outs I telling Correa to bunt. If the home team comes up in extra innings and the away team didn't score, it should be an automatic bunt to start the inning.
  18. I think one of the reasons the Twins don't run is that usually the fastest guys on the team play up the middle. Correa hasn't stole a base since 2019 and only 6 since 2016, Polanco has never really stolen bases and isn't really that great at it. Buxton has been hurt and hasn't really been a big running threat for the last 5 years or so (again injuries) One of the biggest threats (Gordon) doesn't really get on base, and none of the other outfielders run really at all. Not expecting anything from 3B, 1B, and C. That is how you get the 2022 MN Twins running game (Steals).
  19. You are reading what you want to hear, I am not saying at all what you are pretending I am saying so you feel smarter. I said the Twins are in first place and thus should try to fill holes without trading away their top prospects, that is their duty to the fans, their duty isn't to blow up the future for this year. Sure the odds might not be great to win the world series but they can still improve this team to up the odds, just like they did with Gray and Correa. I have also said trading away top prospects for what others assume is a number 1 pitcher (Montas) isn't the solution for multiple reasons, the cost is high and the Twins don't ride number 1 type pitchers like teams have done in the past (In the playoffs and regular season) Maybe I misread what Whitey333 wrote (Current Twins team has many holes and deficiencies to make playoffs this year IMO), I thought he was writing that that teams that are close shouldn't worry about trading prospects because they normally don't work out anyway but this year isn't the year to do it because this team can't make the playoffs anyway.
  20. You veered way off topic, but I will play along. Do the Twins players know the odds have them with no shot and if so why even keep up the charade of playing? Or maybe the front office might see this and say our odds might go up if we could fill some holes, I mean their odds went up with the Gray trade and the Correa signing.
  21. So ignore the fact that have performed well enough to be in 1 place, and go with the odds. Brilliant! I don't care if the Twins win the world series this year, I want them to try to make the team better, make the playoffs and not fold like a cheap suit.
  22. Interesting I thought they were saying they continue reload from the minors,
  23. Is that truly what Tampa Does their 4 leading pitchers by inning, is McClanahan (from their minors), Kluber, Rasmusssen, and Springs, none of them came out of the Rays minors. They have like three offensive starters out of their minors (Kiermaier (32) Franco (21) and Walls(25)) Arozarena (Stl), Ramirez (MIA, Clev), Diaz (Clev), Margot (SD), Choi (LAA, NYY, MIL), Both of their catchers were trades.
  24. Well they are in first place on June 20th, little to nobody thought that was possible, thus my lightening in a bottle comment. Don't care what others say about no chance without a number 1, the Twins have pretty much proven they aren't going to pitch a number 1 pitcher like a number 1 pitcher has pitched in the past, and yes I have said I agreed with you over and over about not mortgaging the future for 1 guy without controllable years. (if the player has multiple years of control, IMO that really isn't mortgaging the future, that is part of building a future.) I gave my opinion. hence IMO. Also IMO you can't always be building a team at some point you have to say the team is built (while continuing to build for the future) and take a chance on trading for help. Sure people could say this isn't the team wait until Larnach, AK, Miranda, Winder, and other get better, but what if they don't, then they are building for years down the road and I don't believe the Twins have enough goodwill with the fans to keep kicking the can down the road. Maybe you and others disagree but with my SSS, I don't think they have.
  25. If your belief is similar to Whitey333 that they can't make the playoffs this year, then you are 100% correct, you trade established players for more prospect to continue building the pipeline. But you believe that the Twins have caught a little lighting in a bottle this year, then you can trade a few prospects to fill needs and try to make a run. If it works great, if not you haven't sacrificed the near future for this year. Which IMO means you don't trade Miranda, Lewis, Ryan, Ober, Winder and probably SWR. But for the right guy(s) with multiple years of control Balazovic, Martin, Canterino, Steer, Wallner, Sands, Enlow, Sabato, Varland (just a few examples) could be used (1 or maybe two at the most) to fill some holes for the right player(s). That IMO is how to build a team a little bit of everything. FA(Correa), Prospects trade (Gray), Sign your own guy (Buxton), Trade players almost out of control (Berrios, Rogers), Make a move to fill holes if everything seemingly is falling into place. (Trade a few decent prospects, with the expectation that will be replenished by trading vets later.
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