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  1. TwinsDr2021
    If you have read my posts, I didn't say Martin and Roden should be banned from baseball and sent to sell used cars on the lot down the street. I also never said they couldn't be good MLB players or important to very important pieces of a team. I am saying from the position the Twins have put themselves in, there is no need to have both of these guys starting for the Twins when you have players like Erod (ranked in the top 100 prospects for the last three years and top 50 the last two) or Jenkins (top 10 prospect for the last two years) waiting in the wings. Also I have said both Martin and Roden should be depth pieces, be it in the minors, bench players, or guys that play 2-4 times a week. People talk about the Brewers, the Brewers can have a guy like Issac Collins or Durbin come up at a later age and be a big part of the team, because they have so many well established players at other positions. (The Twins do not), and as long as Collins/Durbin play well they will keep playing but if they struggle they can plug the next prospect in and see how he/they do) The Twins have been running players like Collins/Durbin out for the last few years and gotten good play at times from them, but not enough and they have to keep running them out there because there is no next prospect. If the Twins had more established players, they could have filled holes with the likes of Hellman, Eeles, Fedko, Schobel, McCusker, guys who aren't likely to end up as starters but maybe could get on a heater for a month, months, or heck even a year.
  2. TwinsDr2021
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  3. TwinsDr2021
    Sorry, I wasn't disagreeing with you on philosophy, I was just pointing out the Brewers have better players than the Twins.
  4. TwinsDr2021
    What do you want me to look up? Martin's age he will be 27 March 23, His slash line this year was .282/.374/.365/.740 with an OPS+ of 106. Want his career? .265/.341/.357/.698 How about his career minor league slash line. .266/.399/.365/.764, what about any of those numbers screams MLB starter? Must be he defense and base running (wait aren't those the things everyone complained about?) Roden turns 26 December 22 and has and like you said has whooping 153 plate appearances in the MLB. I am not saying either of these guys are bad players, what I am saying is a team like the Twins shouldn't be playing guys like this over guys that have an actual shot at being better than average type player. I will add AAA numbers for guys on the wrong side of 25 don't mean a darn thing, ask Gasper, Keirsey, Prato, Stevenson, Williams, and tons and tons of other players.
  5. TwinsDr2021
    Predetermination, isn't that what baseball is all about? Isn't that why the defense plays were they do? why pitches are called, steals, hit and run, and just about every aspect of baseball? Yet, we are to ignore the one that has been proven over and over since the beginning of baseball? Age of a player and when they debut? Obviously there are guys that debuted at 25 or older that turned into very good baseball players or even better and obviously there are guys that debuted in their early 20's that flamed out, or guys that were able to established themselves after being brought up in their mid 20's and failing for a bit. But those are the exceptions to the rules, just like bringing in a left handed pitcher to face a left handed batter, or pinch hitting a left handed hitter against a left handed pitcher. But you want to ignore the stats/projections/analytics in this case and take a shot at the low percentage play? And if the Twins weren't horsesh!t the last few years and already had 4 or 5 established major league players in the lineup, I would agree with you, that a guy like Martin or Roden might probably is the smart/right move but that isn't the world the Twins are living, they are still basically trying to fill 5 or 6 spots with good players, so what why not go with the young guy? (obviously that only works when you are a possible young guy, and currently the Twins do)
  6. TwinsDr2021
    I am not sure what you are asking, the are depth for injury or bad play. Between the Minors and Majors Martin has 1834 at bats and Roden 1472. What more do you want to see, you want to see them taking at bats away from players that might be much better players? He is an idea lets run them out there for the next 5 years like they did with a similar aged Larnach and get 3.2 WAR and say next year is the year. (Similar to the Pirates who roster is usually full of mid 20 aged players that just never seem to figure it out.
  7. TwinsDr2021
    I don't give much credence to August/September stats of a player on a team completely out of contention, just like I don't give much credence to guys in their late 20's numbers in AAA. I did say I would give him an Outfield spot if they give a young guy (Jenkins or Erod, both left handed) a shot. Also, I don't care about an extra year of control for a guy like Jenkins (if he is good you are going to do whatever you can to extend him), ERod turns 23 over the winter, so maybe it is worth holding him back a bit. Wallner if he is here will get at bats and shouldn't be that hard to get him them. I also don't really care about prospects on the wrong side of 25 getting, until you get a few (like half) of the positions established, because they aren't the solutions to long term position questions. The Twins have three paths next year, 1. try and build for the future giving a few of the young guys a chance while trying to compete (meaning keeping Lopez and Ryan), 2. Completely rebuild, trade Ryan and Lopez and give as many young guys a chance as possible. 3. Just exists and keep playing mid to late 20 players, hope and pray they ALL do better and catch lightening in a bottle. My choice would be #1.
  8. TwinsDr2021
    That isn't a team that is serious about rebuilding/building or competing,; just existing. And if that is the team they are playing on running out there, they absoletly should trade Lopez and Ryan. Teams can only carry 13 guys and Martin, Roden, Outman, Clemens, and a backup catcher on the roster isn't a serious team.
  9. TwinsDr2021
    One of the biggest differences between the Brewers and Twins? Sal Frelick 25, established MLB player (26 in April) Turang 25, established MLB player (26 in November) Contreras 27, established MLB player (28 in November) Chourio 21, established MLB player (22 in March) Yelich, and Hoskins, both established even though Hoskins hasn't been good (but wasn't terrible when healthy this year) and Yelich when healthy plays at or close to All Star level. And then you have the 3 guys that are like most of the Twins roster. Older type prospects/rookies, that if do well you keep playing (like Julien and Miranda of the past) if not move on to the next guy up (Perkins, Monasterio, Mitchell, and others) but you are only doing it for 1/3 of your starters, not 2/3. Durbin, 25, Collins 27, Ortiz 27 Now the Twins Buxton, Jeffers as established and the rest of the team are guys mostly made up of mid 20's (age) prospects that haven't established themselves and the only players to move onto to are Bargin basement FA's, or even older prospects (Gasper, Keirsey types) Until the Twins actually starting getting players established prior to their prime years, we will likely continue to see the same outcome that we have been seeing, which isn't good. I mean 26 and 27 year old non-established players (Martin and Roden) are actually being talked about as starters, along with an infield of Lewis (26), Lee (25), Keashall (23, a good thing), and? non-established players. That doesn't install confidence in anybody except those Fans that think every Twins player is the exception to the rules.
  10. TwinsDr2021
    I don't see either of them being anything but replacement level players and at their age, they should be moved to the back of the line, behind players that could become more than replacement level. Rostering replacement level players and playing them has been this teams problem. One of them can start but the other spot should be given to a rookie (or a young guy they got in a trade over the winter) If ERod is the player than give Martin a shot at the other spot, if it is GG then give Roden a short.
  11. TwinsDr2021
    You don't think that would be one of the worst offensive outfields in the Majors (and not young)? And with the question marks in the infield (lewis, Lee, and Luke) seems like a recipe for disaster, IMO both are depth players not starters. IMO one of the Twins top prospects has to be on the opening day roster, Jenkins, Culpepper or Erod (or maybe GG), there is no reason Martin and Roden need to be given a chance.
  12. TwinsDr2021
    Not to nit pik but Nick Punto wasn't even on the Twins until 2004, and only played 38 games that year.
  13. TwinsDr2021
    Of all those pitchers you mentioned (11) 8 of them were in the majors at age 22 or before, 3 of them were in the majors at age 24 (Ragans, Rasmussen, Houck). I am not seeing any Twins pitching prospects that are 22 or younger close to the majors. I see many more twins pitching prospects in the second group, which isn't a bad group to be in, just need to temper expectations on them a bit. I also believe that starting guys in the pen isn't a bad thing (Johan Santana, F-Bomb, both 21), but if it takes them to age 25 to get to the majors be it injury or just figuring it out, it is less likely them become anything but a bullpen pitcher or an Ober type pitcher at best (Again not a bad thing)
  14. TwinsDr2021
    Just an FYI, only 20 guys in the majors this year had a OBP of .360 or greater, so that it would be pretty amazing.
  15. TwinsDr2021
    The Twins didn't have to pick up his 10.5 million (could have brought him out for 750k) let him walk. Out 750K or instead they picked it up, traded him for 4 million of DeSclafani, 2.5 for 2 years of Topa (so far), and GG. So the question isn't really how Polanco did, the question is was it worth the 10.5 to pick up his contract and trade him? Obviously it is still too early to tell and all depends on what happens with GG. It could still go down as one of the best Twin trades ever, or just another move by this FO that pissed away money (like picking up Farmer's 6.25 contract, instead of the 250K buyout)
  16. TwinsDr2021
    Will fans ever learn to not take September stats of a team out of contention seriously? How many times do we have to be fooled?
  17. TwinsDr2021
    Adams, 33.2/3 innings, 17 walks, 31 K's, ERA of 7.49, a WAR of -,9. 18 appearances, 6 with multiple runs allowed, 10 with a run or more allowed, 8 with no runs allowed. 2 blown save/holds of out 4, with a September ERA of 6.97 and that isn't terrible? Doesn't mean he won't or can't be a competent relief pitcher, but if that isn't terrible I don't know what is.
  18. TwinsDr2021
    So basically run the same team out there as last year and hope for different results? That is a bad team, of the 13 offensive players, there is 4 guys that hit under .202 and another that hit .216, and Lee and Castro at .236 and .226, and that doesn't include non prospects like Fedko, Eeles, Schobel who likely would be just as bad (No love for McCusker?) The Twins need better than replacement level players and that has to come from actual prospects being given a chance (Jenkins, Culpepper, Erod, GG, DeBarge, and others?) not retreads and non prospects. You don't sign players like Castro or Clemens when you are in the Twins position, because they take at bats away from guys that need them, you sign guys like that when you are close and need to fill holes with Vets. If you want to bring in Castro, find the next one, a guy that was brought up super young showed promise but didn't live up to expectations, not the one that costs money and isn't all that good anyway. (Negative WAR last year and an OPS+ of 89, um no thanks)
  19. TwinsDr2021
    Houston turns 22 in April and Culpepper turns 23 in December neither should need all that much more time in the minors if they are to be the future. (Culpepper maybe a couple of months and Houston maybe a little over a year) Which IMO means Lee starts the year there and will need to hold off Culpepper to keep the job. They shouldn't spend any money on a SS FA. In reality they shouldn't spend much FA money on anything but catcher and relief pitchers. The only players that should be brought in from outside the organization is a young established player with multiple years of control (not somebody like Outman, somebody that is actually young)
  20. TwinsDr2021
    I would add to this teams in this situation don't and shouldn't extend players on the wrong side of 30, unless it is a generational talent like Ramirez and they need to have enough minor league talent that when they trade players away the have multiple options to replace those players, since most are not going to pan out, and that is the piece the Twins have been missing the last few years. You could say they have had Ryan, Ober, and Jeffers and so far everybody other prospects hasn't been consistent enough or healthy enough to replace anybody. ( I don't include relief pitchers because that is where the failed starters end up, mostly) And if things don't go as planned, you have to be agile enough to change up some of you ideas and figure out how to get the most out of the guys you have. Also and failure of this FO/Manager.
  21. TwinsDr2021
    I am not saying it was a bad trade, just found it interesting that the Twins traded Berrios in 2021, and signed Lopez to an extension prior to the 23 and that is worth comparing and I am twisting the narrative? but you didn't mention in 2022 they paid Gray 10 million, Archer 3.5, and Bundy 5 (more than Berrios was paid), then after that sh!t show, traded for Lopez, and didn't resign Gray after 23 (not complaining about this) after 23 (who ended up making about 20 million more in those three years) Just not how sure you can say the money they saved by not signing Berrios translated in Lopez, it feel more like the Twins thought they could use that money on multiple pitchers which didn't work, traded Arraez for Lopez and signed him to an extension. If anything can be compared it should be Berrios to the money the Twins spent, the players that were traded and pitchers they got. The Twins will have paid Gray 25 million, Lopez 73 million, Bundy 5, Archer 3.5, SWR <1, traded Petty and Arraez. Got two years of Gray, 4 of Lopez, one of Bundy, 1 or Archer, and YTD of years of Martin and SWR. Chase Petty and Arrez. Still looks like a win. But lets not pretend it came cheap.
  22. TwinsDr2021
    So we can't use the innings Berrios has pitched, but we can say that money went to Lopez? Interesting
  23. TwinsDr2021
    Cal Quantrill, Aaron Civale, Zach Plesac, Mike Clevinger, Tanner Bibee, Logan Allen, all have had short term success and have faded almost as quickly. We will see what happens with Williams, Ortiz and Cecconi. Clevinger is the only one to have any real success after a few years (or away from Cleveland) and that was one year with the white Sox. Maybe you are right they trade them away before they get expensive, but maybe also they know with how the develop pitchers it isn't likely they sustain any success? Is Ober like them? a couple of good years and done, or is is the expectation that he can sustain his success?
  24. TwinsDr2021
    All the more reason Falvey should be gone as well.
  25. TwinsDr2021
    Berrios has pitched 878.33 innings for Toronto, SWR 254.66 and Martin has 438 plate appearances. Not saying it was a bad trade, but digging deeper Toronto has gotten way more out of it, sure at a cost. (Less than 19 million a year) Toronto has made the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years and 5 years ago won 91 games and didn't make the playoffs. When was the last time the Twins won 91 games? (2019) In case you forgot the Twins won 73 in 21, 78 in 22, 87 in 23, 82 in 24, and 70 in 25. This FO has been an absolute failure!
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