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They just interviewed Julien on WCCO sports news and his attitude is probably half his problems.

JUlien DH -- that would be good on April Fools Day - LOL.

How fast did pitchers throw in the 1960s? The estimates I've seen indicate that most successful pitchers fastball ranged from the high 80s to mid 90s. Steve Dalkowski was the hardest thrower in the 60s. He threw a fastball at 100 mph or better in his prime. ---- How fast did Sandy Koufax throw? 100-mph Koufax was an American baseball legend. He possessed a 100-mph fastball and what announcer Vin Scully called “a twelve-to-six curveball” that started at 12 o'clock then dropped to 6 o'clock. From 1963–1966, he had the best four-year span of any pitcher in baseball history. -------- How fast was Bob Feller's fastball? Best estimates are at least 98 mph and quite possibly several miles an hour over 100 mph. Among them is footage of a Feller fastball being clocked by Army ordnance equipment (used to measure artillery shell velocity) and registering at 98.6 mph (158.7 km/h). ------------------ It’s impossible to know, so when you hear someone making pronouncements like, “They threw 85 mph,” you can be sure they are full of ****. They cannot possibly know at all. What we do know is that Bob Feller’s fastball was timed at a widely reported 98.6 mph when tested against a speeding motorcycle. People who have seen the film of that demonstration unanimously agree that the speeding cycle had a head start on Feller’s delivery, yet Bob’s fastball still beat the cycle to the target. (See John Finn’s post to this question.) Some people claim that Feller’s fastball may have reached 107 mph. Additionally, Feller threw that pitch in street clothes and from a flat surface, not a mound. It’s certainly reasonable to say that his fastball easily exceeded 100 mph. Now Babe Ruth played his last game in 1935. Bob Feller pitched his first game one year later, 1936. In fact, Lou Gehrig played his last game in 1939, three years after Feller started. That’s all the confirmation you need that there were pitchers in Ruth’s day who could throw at speeds equal to today’s pitchers. So we know that there was a pitcher in Ruth and Gehrig’s time who was at least as fast as Koufax and Gibson in the 1960s, and at least as fast as Clemens in the 1980s, and at least as fast as Aroldis Chapman today. And all Aroldis ever pitches is one, occasionally two, innings. But Feller wasn’t the only one. There were hitters who said that Lefty Grove was faster than Bob Feller, guys who’d batted against both. And Grove was at his peak during the same time that Ruth was at his peak. He led the league in strikeouts seven years in a row. In the National League, Dazzy Vance may have been as fast as Grove. Dazzy led the league in Ks seven years in a row, as well. Also in the 1930s was Dizzy Dean with the Cardinals. Diz was known for his speed and for two great phrases: “I’m gonna fog it in there,” and the phrase he used for firing his fastball, “Let’s play some good old country hard ball.” He was the last 30-game winner in the NL. So that’s four guys that come quickly to mind when I think of past pitchers who threw 100 mph. But there are more. People like Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker who saw all these pitchers up through about the 1960s say none of them could throw as hard as Walter Johnson. All I had to see was a photo of Johnson in a baggy uniform to tell how powerfully built and how immensely strong he was. Also, watching film of his easy windup and almost sidearm throw you can see how smooth his delivery was and how easily he zipped the ball. Similar delivery to the fire-balling Don Drysdale of the 1960s, but obviously smoother and faster. And yet there are others, including Rube Waddell, who had the most incredible strikeout records of anyone ever, considering the time he played in when all batters choked up on the bat and despised striking out. It took 60 years for someone (Koufax) to finally beat Rube’s single-season record of 349 Ks in one year. How many other major seasonal records can you think of that lasted 60 years? So, for old-time pitchers who were as fast as anyone today, there’s Feller, Grove, Vance, Dean, W. Johnson, and Waddell, just for starters. There were others, not as great as these six but maybe just as fast, like Rex Barney and Van Lingle Mungo (both of the Dodgers), and Herb Score (1950s) of the Indians. And I’m sure other guys I don’t even know about. These men didn’t lift weights. They got strong the old-fashioned way, through hard work. Many were rawboned farm boys, like Feller and Johnson, some worked in factories or mines. And they could throw the hell out of a baseball. ------------------ There is no way to prove it was not possible but without the radar guns used now you believe it or you do not for ones reason, no proof it is not true. Some where in this menagerie of baseball posts last year I pasted a site that listed all the pitcher from the get-go that were fireball pitchers, look it up .

What that you have no proof of your point, LOL. Not related to your whims but this is interesting. Of a man named Johnny Vollmer, who could really hurl the ball. He had a windmill style, a gift that was his power, To throw the softball by you at a hundred miles an hour. https://msf1.org/the-story-of-fireball-johnny-vollmer-one-of-the-nations-greatest-fast-pitch-softball-hurlers/

They are reaching the point where they are finding their physical short comings , nothing more. Between two gents with similar macho man physiques, one may be able to take he beating so called pro wrestlers take and say I've had worse and mean it, while the other may end up with life long cripplings. Twenty years ago when he big boomer six gun shooting was the big deal, I would shoot the .475 Linebaugh type revolvers and recoil meant nothing to me; a gent similar in physique would be shooting next to me and say I am done for the day, my writst is telling me to quit. At the same time I was shooting with some gals, barely 5 ft tall, and they had no problems. Some people are cursed with amazing looking but fragile bodies; others that would sadly be called wimps, could take a beating and keep on ticking.

Not wasting my time on you baseless opinion.

There is an article, on this look it up.

You are playing doctor to make excuses for his first failure, IF he is tha fragile, he career will be short. He had a slump probably becauxe pitchers now know his weak spots, not some medical glitch. His health, he will deal with it as he sees fit, and I do not think holding back is part of his equation.

Maybe he should retire then.

From these iine-ups you boy must expect hell to freeze over also.

Detroit has been a hemorrhoid for Minnesota for a long time.

Naw, they're just youts. Miranda looks like a college freshman too.

I just noticed Detroit and Minnesota had opposite winning and losing numbers before the game.

Not likely.

Lee will sleep well tonight. Nice to see him have a friendly chat with Urshela.

Is there a way to check how many games they have won wearing the Twins game uniform verses the other thingies.

Three innings to score 7 runs , they have done it before.

Well the Twins do not have many Ks tonight.

Right now Montero's ERA is lower than Festa's so maybe Montero is not as bad as some say or Twins do poorly against lessor pitchers than against top line pitchers.

He watched three balls go by without lifting his bat the frst time, and he hit a ball the second time, what he gets paid to do for heavens sake.

Strike watching three ball go by without lifting the bat off of his shoulder; welcome to Bigs Lee.

All the brouhaha was was/is silly; Lewis had a double with two gents on after a nasty slump, he has done nothng for any one to think he should have an extension. At the end of the year , then , judge what his furture - may - be.

He can improve in AAA.