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  1. It has been suggested here that a pattern like last year's additions would represent non-cynical. I find that absurd. Last year we added a motley pile of barely-there options. If, and I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume this, we do something similar - this is not cynical. You can hope all you want, that's call optimism. This original post was realistic, you've confused a lack of promise with a cynical analysis. Short of an out of character move by Ryan, this is what we are looking at. With Meyer's injury and only recent return, it's highly unlikely he'll be in the rotation as an impact player. I share your hope to get beyond this very bleak picture, but running around with cynical labels is just plain unfair to the reality of what is being analyzed.
  2. Even one legit FA doesnt significantly improve this rotation. This isn't that cynical, it's just realistic. These are the options we have and the ones we are most likely to have. If they don't look good, it isn't because of cynical analysis -it's because of the talent available. This, and other responses, are unfairly chomping at the bit to label people negative/cynical rather than fairly evaluating the talent here and most likely to be here next year.
  3. Nah, but I'm glad he is up and learning how to get big league hitters out. Maybe we will see closer to his best next year that way.
  4. Given that this team is not very good at anything but relief pitching, it's not much to build on. I think Gardy has done a pretty damn good job this year, but being bad at starting pitching and offense is not much to be happy about. I don't see us any closer to contending....Arcia, Dozier, Deduno, bullpen have stepped up but Diamond, Worley, Plouffe, Hicks, Parmelee have stepped back. Feels like wheels spinning to a lucky record.
  5. Maybe there are things he can do to improve that working at this level and that's the issue. Dozier took to coaching and worked through his issues, I'm not sure Parmelee has gotten the same chance. There is no reason a guy like Hermann should be getting ABs over him. Being bad affords us the ability to let guys struggle if it can pay future dividends.
  6. I don't understand the need for condescension, but.....What? Your last sentence is unclear. You're right, we out-revenue them substantially. And yet, they have a higher team payroll right now, but not by a significant margin. So I fail to see how Brock is making a distinction when it appears that we are acting about the same in terms of spending ability.
  7. They are in contention. We are not. And until Buxton and Sano and Rosario and Meyer are helping us do it, we're still a long ways away from that. Puck is right, what they're doing now is not terribly different than us in 2010 or 2009. Did you want to swap with their historically awesome farm system then?
  8. I would very much like to see this elaborated on. Note: this is stating nothing about his future, only the current state of the experiment.
  9. As exciting as our future is and how good we COULD be, the fact is the Royals are taking that next step. And they still have hope that some of those young studs can put it together and break out. It has to be the Royals right now, mostly because they are actually doing it, whereas we have to hope we will be doing the same (and more) ourselves at some as-yet-unknown point in the future.
  10. At this point, I'm struggling to see how there is a distinction between the two teams in this regard.
  11. Nice, nice deal. Very surprising return, regardless of how he turns out this is nice value.
  12. I think "some" is pushing it. Money decides things unless deals re substantially similar in total. And guys who take one year lower total deals tend to do it for playing time and a larger future payout. It's the nature of FA...it's about cashing in. so if the Twins want to be competitive on this guy their offer needs to meet or exceed rival offers....simple as that.
  13. Clearly the whole Hunter/Morneau fight was orchestrated so someone could punch Punto in the face.
  14. the real amusing part is that the same people who deny money is a deciding factor rail against signing FAs because you will have to pay them as much or more than other teams to sign them....all but admitting money ultimately decides things just about every time.
  15. Right so even in the most prominent "not all about the money" case.....it was still sorta about the money. I don't know why this is even controversial as a claim.
  16. Cliff Lee is an excellent example. He stayed in Philly for medical/family reasons and it was so surprising that he refused better offers that it made news. things that happen routinely don't make the news, it's a classic case of the exception proving the rule.
  17. I agree...how dare Nick post a relevant statistical analysis of the team on the board! The audacity.....
  18. Wait...didnt someone just tell us May wasn't all that good a prospect? He seems to switch in his talent evaluation based on the slant of an argument these days....
  19. Um, you mean Iwakuma? The guy who went back to Japan because he was low balled? Are you suggesting Iwakuma is evidence of a guy who turned down money due to climate? Because the reports that came up on google says he refused Oakland due to low contract offers, saying that their offer indicated they "didnt really want me". So you met no such criteria. the argument from ignorance is no defense here. I believe the Twins have an opportunity here, if the counter argument is tht he'd never come here due to climate than tht claim too falls under ignorance. But sensible people understand that the primary motivation of FAs is to get paid, especially those escaping impoverished countries with a limited time frame to cash in. I'm relying on the simplest motivation, I'm asking those tht claim all IFA prize climate and racial diversity over money to show me when this has ever happened. One would think with the number of guys tossing that around tht there would be some easy examples. I must've missed them, please enlighten me of a few examples of this trend. Otherwise, lets be done with it as a baseless claim and hope the Twins make a very competitive offer.
  20. So he turned down a contract in hopes of making more money in the future. And he's already made more than what Oakland had on the table plus what he made in Japan when he returned. If that's the best you got...I'm wondering how so many people believe this notion. To your second point, there are two ways to approach that. 1) If we don't have the details to know why a player is or is not signing a deal - then every claim here about climate is equally as dubious. So why defend them? Or 2) If we can use reasonable suspicions about why players make the decisions they do - the VAST majority of contracts signed are because that was the most money offered to them. From Grienke to Pujols to Jose Reyes to Hamilton and on and on for as long as free agency has existed. Rarely does a player make a significant, long-term commitment for reasons other than the money on the table. Or, at least, without it being the primary motivation. Secondary motivations only come into play when the offers are substantially similar.
  21. Absolutely, which is why he still has value. He's a streaky hitter who is exceptional against left-handed pitching. That's a useful piece in the hands of the right manager. But most of the people who see him as more than that are resting it not on months like May or June this year, but more on his Ruthian stretch last year.
  22. Yes, I'd argue as many paying customers come for him as Kevin Correia. PJ Walters is a replacement level player. Correia is barely more than that. The only way having Correia in the rotation over Walters stops the team from losing 100 is if they lose 99 anyway. It's a pretty moot distinction.
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