TheLeviathan

It's a spectrum though right? Which makes it hard to tense because people could be in various stages ranging from mistrust to blind trust. Nick sounds like he's trending towards trust. Matthew Taylor is in full trust. I'm at zero trust right now. The paragraph you clipped was meant to ask for some evidence for why people have given up those varying degrees of trust so quickly. I'm not convinced there is much good evidence to have accepted any steps and I'm confused why people have so quickly framed things positively. given the outcomes don't support that.

The first four paragraphs in Nick's article implies that Tom realizes he needs to rebuild trust and has taken the "first steps" towards doing so. Completely rebuilt? No, but there are clearly a camp of people here at TD that are buying into that rebuilding narrative. Matthew Taylor trusts him enough to "buy in". So, yes, people are having their trust actively rebuilt right now. For better or worse. I grant your problem about knowing if the attendance numbers are "juiced" or not, but the available evidence we have does not support the idea that there was any meaningful bump this season. (That's with primo matchups with Philly, Atlanta, and New York that clearly drove out non-Twins fans to fill the stands)

I'm glad you pointed this out. Joe Pohlad gets a lot of heat around here for being a terrible Pohlad (myself amongst them, "right-sizing" was the absolute dumbest thing I've seen this ownership group do in my lifetime after contraction) but people forget that he also green-lit the entire Correa saga and the largest payrolls we have ever seen as fans. It's not like the team, while under his stewardship, wasn't willing to take big swings. Hell, they took some really big swings.....then swung the exact opposite direction as well. The problem isn't the corporate babble itself. It isn't the specific payroll number itself. It's the lack of vision this organization has. The consistent inconsistency. The half measures. I'm glad you believe Mr. Taylor. I just hope 30 or 40 million spent on the fringes of the roster doesn't buy you off. The problems run deeper than that.

In fairness though, the schemes run in college make it really difficult to evaluate a lot of positions at pass blocking. There are so many empty backfields and other schematic differences that NFL teams don't run that it isn't a 1:1 tape comparison. College schemes just take the back off the field in many of those situations. I got these averages from AI (so grain of salt), but NFL averages 1.4 receptions per game vs. .8 for college.

So I'm honestly chuckling out loud as I type this. I asked for "wise decisions" and "clear vision and purpose" and this justifies the description that I am "asking out". Like...how ridiculous is that? If that's the conclusion anyone draws than they are not only accepting that neither of those things are on the horizon, but is acting defensively AND aggressively against any fan who espouses that those expectations should exist. I find that to be the bare minimum for my full-throated support. Otherwise, I'm absolutely going to remain a skeptic and a critic of this team's leadership along with being a fan.

It is the lowest form of sports discussion. The absolute worst. You've lost whatever position you hold the moment you start that lecture.

The underlying metrics give pause for skepticism, totally fair. But I think this kid's makeup is one worth betting on. I think he's going to be a good player for us and one that we can pencil in the lineup everyday at 3B for the forseeable future.

Wait...rebuilds don't have to be forever? You can do one and then...be better at some point? Witchcraft!

Pfft...what a "fan" you are.

Man this thread confuses me. Several people keep asserting that actions by Tom have "rebuilt" trust and been "good steps". By what metric? Did attendance increase after their "bold" deadline? Have casuals starting tuning in to more games? Have they seen a surge in season ticket purchases? On what basis should I believe this rhetoric? By all means, enlighten me on what basis these claims are made. It feels, to me, especially when people go to length to refer to other fans as "fans" that this becomes a battle where diehards, who are easily bought off, are lecturing others on why they should be bought off as well when all they're doing is demanding something more than words and organizational tactics that result in continued mediocrity. Congrats to you "diehards" in here, but that framing isn't a positive. All I see is a bunch of cope and people who are far too easily pandered too. High expectations aren't something to frown upon, yet here we are with diehards - who would cheer for this team no matter what putrid product they put out - are insulting people who are demanding more than that. I won't kowtow to that BS. To Tom's actual claims: What part of this free agent class screams "this is the guy who could help make a big difference! Go get him!". Are we suggesting we're fishing in the Skubal waters? What is the actual thing you think is going to happen based on these claims that would rise to the expectations that this rhetoric is setting up? Seriously, what do you think they're going to do? Resign AJ Minter and declare victory? It all feels like the deadline all over again. Several people have suggested we did the "right" thing at the deadline. I mean, that's cute to believe that (congrats on being bought off easily) but that move failed. It failed miserably. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Not only did it fail in the immediate outcomes, we're likely going to feel the sting of the lost opportunities for quite some time as well. 8 million and a couple relievers was enough for people to feel emboldened? My god, if that's all it takes for some of you to roll over and start heaping optimism on the god damn Pohlad family, then you might as well scroll down about 3/4 of the way down that free agent list and take a gander at your future Twins. That's all they'll need to do to get your devotion again. This "fan" would rather root for an organization that makes wise decisions and appears to have a clear vision and purpose. This? This feels like a billionaire trying to sucker us into believing in him long enough to get his sale price and bail. I hope most of us - fans, "fans", casuals alike - reject this.

I'll give Teasley a full run to show us what he's capable of, none of the decisions this offseason are on him. Nor was taking Felton over Cam Skattebo last year in an absolutely loaded RB group as @Danchat pointed out. To that end, I liked Neal when he came out. I think he has talent.

They signed Devin Neal. I dig that move.

Their roster choices confound me. I'm pretty happy they have switched to a heavier run game with multiple TEs on the field. But then how do you make Aaron Jones your main back? And have your third guy be a dude like Claiborne? Why do we invest a pick in Felton at all? Golday isn't seeing the field - and I like him a lot - but that pick would've been better used elsewhere. I really hope the new guy cleans up some of this.

It's time to move on. I keep pitching a swap with him and Henry Davis on Pittsburgh. Find somewhere for him that isn't here, he needs a change.

I don't believe that pick is made withot KOC pushing that he wants that QB. Kwesi created enough draft problems, the QB is on KOC IMO.

Desperation. It's sad to say but I don't think he's going to hold up for much of a career.

Same. A humiliating beatdown of every small market team is the only thing I care about at this point. Whatever forces a change.

It's a good name to ponder...but I guess I don't feel good about him. Do you?

It might have been misunderstood because it sounded unhinged.....just saying.

Agreed. But it would be so Vikings to have some misguided belief that Kyler is that guy and miss out on this window. (Also giving me Tom Pohlad trade deadline PTSD)

At this point I call them and offer the 2nd and Murray to be their backup. Let's get a look at him before we do anything in FA.

Trade value like @Danchatsaid. I bet they could've had a 3rd in April.

I wonder if our running back fails lead to this. They were opening a roster spot for that beleaguered group.

A 5th is just not worth it. Gross.

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