How about this as middle ground - I don't think most of the critical posters here (including myself) are demanding the duo be fired this offseason. I personally am willing to give them 1 more season to show significant improvement (this includes being at least a game or two over .500, a rapidly improving rotation and bullpen, position player improvement, managerial decisions, etc...) As I stated in a previous post, this will probably need to include adding at least 1 big bat, and probably 2 pitchers the quality of Berrios (since even with him achoring this staff it was horrible). Then with the prospects acquired as well as in the system already, can backfill other rotation slots, maybe a couple bullpen slots, and a utility slot. I am very skeptical this will occur given the history of this FO and signing higher-end pitchers (maybe the big bat slot will get filled but even that is 50/50). If they follow their 5 yr history and sign below-average starters and hope to fill rest with prospects, they will not meet my original expectation and at that point I will be calling for their removal. Is giving them 6 yrs an acceptable amount of time (certainly is to me)?