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  1. Dantes929
    3 walks per 9 is Odorizzi level but most pitchers considered aces have that much closer to 2 walks/9. I love pitchers that are capable of throwing 100mph but don't especially love when they actually throw that hard, especially in the minors. I know even the soft throwers (90 mph is soft?) develop arm problems but max effort doesn't seem worth it. I would think if he settles in around 95 it would help his command also.
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    Then I guess I was also. I like Berrios but his value seems to be that he can go an inning or so more than the other two. Not that the innings he does pitch are better than the ones Odo especially but also Pineda pitch. That ability to go 7 instead of 6 just doesn't have the same value it used to especially when we have a good bull pen. The value of Berrios maybe went up a tick when we lost Graterol because I had a good feeling about him coming in for an inning or two and doing better than average for both a major league reliever and more specifically better than our bullpen average. If anything I am more confident in Odorizzi shutting someone down. All this to say I am not surprised he is lumped with Odorizzi and Pineda. I am shocked to see how highly rated Maeda is.
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    His ceiling is whatever you want to guess but right now I would say his floor is .172 in GCL. Ranking seems a bit high.
  4. Dantes929
    Cmon Mike. Seriously? A job like any other? Of course they work very hard but you don't hear anyone saying its been my life long dream to work baseball. Nearly every kid I grew up with dreamed of playing baseball, not of having a baseball job. And the money never even entered into it. Working hard at a game does not make it less of a game. A job like any other doesn't have a million people envious for every one job opening. I work very hard on my golf game but thats a little misleading because I really enjoy practicing. I work hard at my job because if I don't I won't get paid. They work hard at baseball because if they don't they don't get to play or get paid. I am envious of Graterol because of what he gets paid and will get paid but mostly because he gets to play baseball for a living and if I could trade places with him I would and I would work really hard at it but would not consider it work.
  5. Dantes929
    Free meals, per diem, and at least a $555,000 salary if he makes the team. Oh yeah, that's all for playing baseball, in California.. I was hoping to see him play for the Twins but now he's just a guy playing for another team that was mildly inconvenienced.
  6. Dantes929
    I would put it as unlikely. You're not going to have 7 starting pitchers pitching well because you are not going to have 7 starting pitchers in a rotation. I could imagine Berrios, Odo, Maeda?, Bailey and Dobnak pitching well when Pineda and HIll are ready to come back, or at least well enough that it would be a little bit of a shame for them to lose a spot. At the same time I could imagine, Thorpe and Smeltzer pitching well in the minors and being blocked. Like I said unlikely. I know it has happened before though not in a decade for sure. Thinking it was 2008 when Liriano started out the season horribly and went to the minors after a few games to get his act together. Hernandez was good to start the season and was starting to falter while Liriano was doing great in the minors. Everyone wanted Liriano back up but Livan just had two out of three quality starts. They gave him two more starts where he wasn't great and then brought up Liriano. I often wondered if Livan had sucked 5 games earlier, Liriano would have been brought up and maybe we win an extra game or two and game 163 doesn't become necessary. Would have given us one more shot at playoff success and a better one since it was the Rays and not the Yankees we would have played. Anyway, on the small chance we have everyone pitching well that is a good thing, not really a problem.
  7. Dantes929
    In a perfect world we trade outfield prospects for Maeda, Graterol stays with us, becomes a starter next year, wins multiple Cy Young awards and leads the Twins to multiple World Series just so we can say "Suck it" to Boston management and their fans. Ok, really it would be great for its own sake. I don't really care that much about Boston or its fans but it would be a nice little bonus.
  8. Dantes929
    Sorry it was a joke. Kind of a parody of how Boston is holding up the Graterol deal after looking at his medical records and determining he might not throw 150 to 170 innings.
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    I'm a little surprised the Dodgers wouldn't just say Graterol for Maeda is a fair trade and take it on anyway without regard to the Red Sox.. By all accounts they view Maeda as expendable. They can get out of that contract and either have a top power arm or a still attractive piece of trade value.
  10. Dantes929
    I don't believe an agent. Do I believe a proposed trade of a really popular player that creates a strong backlash of criticism from fans can influence a front office to find a way to appease them in some way either by backing out or asking for more? Yeah, I think its possible. For example, though many now say they were against the Twins extending Mauer to that contract, at the time, at least in the Trib and other forums, it was overwhelmingly, near 100% that the Twins better not go cheap on Mauer with the new stadium coming. I thought it was a bad baseball decision but a great PR decision and yes, I think fan opinion influenced that signing just like I think it influenced the Puckett signing years before.
  11. Dantes929
    They were up 11 games by mid June and I don't think that will repeat itself. What surprised me was that the first half and 2nd half records were only different by a couple games. Keep in mind that as good as their stats were at the end of May their subsequent starts had to be really bad to average out to the mediocre numbers that many feel are replaceable. I fear a bad start but unless there is a some severe statistical anomaly, if the starters hold a combined better than 4.5 ERA, the relievers do better than combined 3.5 ERA and the offense scores over 5.5 runs then we should win a lot of games.
  12. Dantes929
    I heard they were ready to sign a compromise but the Twins looked at his medical records and determined that he was not suited for a 250-270 inning workload.
  13. Dantes929
    I tend toward that side. I would be ok if he ends up as a dominant back end reliever. That's a lot of value. I was ok with the deal also. I don't know if you can use Graterol in future arguments though since they actually did try to trade him while he was a top 3 prospect and throwing triple digits. Its the triple digits max effort that has always concerned me about Graterol. I love that he is able to reach those levels but think maybe he would be better served to stay at 97-99. I know 2 or 3 or 4 mph doesn't seem like much but try adding a couple mph to your golf swing. It ain't easy.
  14. Dantes929
    Ok, at least according to Rosenthal USchief is correct. https://www.mlb.com/news/dodgers-red-sox-twins-trade-update Really kind of makes me hope the deal doesn't go through, that Graterol is awesome in the pen this year and wins a couple Cy Youngs as a starter in the future. Part of me just wants the deal to go through. Part of me is still skeptical about the Red Sox.
  15. Dantes929
    Does anyone actually know the process for certain? I always assumed also that sharing the past medical records were done before it gets to this stage. The "pending physical" was the part where the acquiring team does their own physical before finalizing the deal. Again the language seems weird. They are not saying there are tears or damage. They are saying they are not sure his future is pitching 170 innings which is hardly news.
  16. Dantes929
    That's the problem with incomplete information. If the doctors said "Hey he had a shoulder impingement so we are not sure he can throw 180 innings" or "Hey, the guy throws 103 mph and we're not sure he can do that over 180 innings" then they really have no case. If they did an Xray and found out he's been held together by duct tape and WD-40 that's another thing entirely. I guess the assumption is that the Twins haven't hidden anything from his last medical and that he hasn't had any changes since the last pitch. I have always had concerns about his long term value because of how hard he throws which is why I didn't want him throwing 103 mph in the minors. Its wasted there. However, I also recognize he could throw for a long time with no problems. He's just more at risk. Its just weird the way its worded. They are not worried that he can't throw 103 mph for the short term but concerned that he can't throw 150-170 innings. That's the risk part of the reward and on the face of it they look unreasonable. Of course, new info may come out that changes that face.
  17. Dantes929
    Yep. Didn't read the premise well. Of course we don't know trading those prospects would have netted us anything worthwhile either. I don't remember Johnson but if we are going back as far as Banks and Banes I can counter with Viola and Blyleven who I am just guessing were pretty highly rated.
  18. Dantes929
    So absurd! They knew they were getting a prospect that could throw hard and had some shoulder impingement last year. Did they think they were getting Kershaw? The ONLY question health wise is whether or not he can throw right now. Unless something in the off season happened health wise that we don't know about if he can throw right now then neither the Twins or the Red Sox know if he can go 5 innings or 205 innings.
  19. Dantes929
    One thing to consider though I know he doesn't want it is that Maeda might be better out of the pen than as a starter and might be better out of the pen than Graterol, at least at this point in time. This might be relevant if Berrios, Odo, Pineda, Hill and Dobnak, or whoever is doing great at some point in the season. Not all pitchers have that versatility..
  20. Dantes929
    Garza, Lohse, Santana, Liriano, Hendriks, Pressley, Berrios, Rogers, Duffey. Those are all prospects that were ranked pretty high at one point and either panned out for us or we cut bait on and were successful elsewhere. Hernandez, Milone, Hughes, Pelfrey, Correia, Nolasco, Lynn are some mid rotation guys that didn't do so well for us. Yes, I know some of these were free agents but the point is the same and the conclusion is the same as yours. Neither veterans or prospects are guarantees. I was pretty high on Graterol but could easily see him being more of a Joel Zumaya type guy rather than a good starter. I get why the Twins made the trade and am not going to whine about it. I hope you, Chief and Vanimal can use this trade as a reason to trade prospects in the future rather than me being able to point to it as a reason not to trade prospects in the future. I figure the odds are about even. I hope Maeda does great.
  21. Dantes929
    2.7 BB/9 in his career. 1.9 with the Twins. I wonder about the below average command comment. The max effort 100+mph concerned me about Graterol, especially in the starter role. I like Maeda better than the other guys we have signed this winter. Off season expectations on here always seem unrealistic to me and I know it wasn't helped by the front office talking about getting an impact starter but even if we got Ryu or Bumgarten I was afraid of losing Odorizzi and Pineda. Retaining those two, adding Clippard and Maeda and Donaldson was more than I expected.
  22. Dantes929
    I don't know anyone saying we should have gotten an ace for him. I was hoping for a guy with his exact stats but a couple years younger and doing it in the AL East rather than the NL West. This move makes some of the others less attractive. I didn't want three spots open for the young guys until Pineda gets back but I did want one.
  23. Dantes929
    Many on here seem to have an unreasonably low outlook on the chances of even top prospects having any significant future value. They look at guys like Gonsalves, Meyer, Gordon, etc. as support for their outlook. I look at guys like Kepler, Polanco, Berrios, Rogers, Garver, etc. along with Hicks, Hendriks and others as support for the idea that top prospects do often work out, given time. Along those lines I have what might be an unreasonable low outlook on mid rotation guys from the National League. Maeda is a tough one. I wish he were a couple years younger, his playoff history is good along with a lot of peripherals but his ERA in inter league play is 4.63 in 19 games. I would just feel better if his 3.87 career ERA was in the AL East. Then I would view him more favorably with Odorizzi. This deal also makes me like the Bailey and Chacin moves less. I really thought Dobnak deserved at least to hold the spot for Pineda. I know some will say he is still competing for it but it never seems to work out that way when signing veteran pitchers.
  24. Dantes929
    I like Bremer. Only real complaint is he gets my hopes up on when Twins hit routine fly balls, acting like they might be gone or exciting when they end up short of the warning track. I like Morneau. I think he is smart and I like his sense of humor. Its just his delivery that is low key but i got used to that quickly.
  25. Dantes929
    We should worry about ourselves. Winning major league games and winning division titles is not supposed to be easy and I don't want them to be easy. If the division comes down to the last week and the Twins are in the mix I think it will be a fun season. I am not specifically worried about the White Sox but I still want to beat them no matter how good they are. I would rather beat the White Sox than the Yankees.. Always have. Always will.
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