Riverbrian

I tend to agree with the basic thoughts of IndianaTwin. I have no idea what is happening behind those walls but the easiest explanation that fits into my head space is quite simple. That explanation is that... Something changed whatever that may be. Was it the RSN? Was it the pending sale? A combination of these things? Was it something that we haven't thought of? Something changed. Plans were altered on the fly. We have a GM who was either booted out politely or he said he had enough and left one of 30 well paying jobs that many dream of and he left it with no job lined up? Something changed is the only thing that I can come up with? I wish I knew but I don't. However... the Chaos is leaking through the limestone walls and visible to those walking past 1 Twins way.

You see it perfectly. Lee as it stands is that 5th player in bucket 4 or else Miranda or Martin. If they don't acquire a bucket 4 worthy individual via acquisition. Bucket 4 is a big problem. 3 injury prone players at the top of the list. Brooks Lee who hasn't established himself yet... all we have is a fairly rough beginning and Willi Castro who plays a lot of positions... very valuable but basically average offensively. Bucket 4 is a problem and Castro's existence in bucket 4 is a problem. Bucket 2 is a problem because young developing players like Miranda and Martin are relegated to short side which is crappy for development. Also Miranda's splits suggest that he has been a better hitter against right handers. The Twins got some work to do this off-season in my opinion and how Castro is deployed could be a pivot point.

I have a fun exercise for y'all. The Twins have consistently placed their position players into 4 buckets in the past two years, Bucket #1 (3 Players) - Left Handed Batters who need to be protected against left handed pitchers. This bucket has been the primary factor in the clubs lineup construction to the point that it's probably the primary factor in roster construction. Bucket #1 can't be denied or ignored. Bucket #1 is the Twins. Bucket #2 (3 Players) - Short side Right Handed Batters who need to face those left handed pitchers so left handers in Bucket #1 don't have to. You can't really have a bucket #1 without a bucket #2. Bucket #3 (2 Players) - Catchers Bucket #4 (5 Players) - Players who play most every day. That's 13 players, Here's the fun exercise part. Drop the players on the current roster into the proper bucket. Watch where Castro lands. After you do that and you realize that it's too much playing time for Castro. Try to reduce his playing time while also protecting the sanctity of bucket #1 and bucket #2. It won't take long to realize that Castro will lead the Twins in AB's again in 2025.

Dear, Whoever is in charge of those little packets of mustard. Please go to a dispenser. The packets are nearly impossible to open. Sincerly, Riverbrian

My point was that they would have difficulty moving that contract because they paid more than other teams were willing to pay. However... I see the point that you so doggedly make. The Giants and Mets backed out. Thank you for pointing this out. This was clearly beyond my understanding.

I have no idea but my thought has always been. The Twins are in a large clump of teams who are always in the same range in regards to payroll. I don't expect it to change... I assume they are clumped together for a reason but who knows... we might get an owner(s) who arrives and introduces us to a higher range of payroll. If that happens... Eventually the fans will be back to complaining about payroll once adjusted to the new higher range. 😁

Follow it through in your head. The Twins were willing to pay Correa more money than other teams were. If the Giants and Mets were willing to pay more money than the Twins. Correa would be playing for the Giants or Mets. If the Giants and Mets backed out... they were not willing to pay more. Doesn't matter if it was health or body odor. They were not willing to pay more. Correa had a pen in hand... the Giants and Mets did not provide a piece of paper with words on it. The Twins had the best offer that he could affix a signature to. If you want to repeat your point that the Giants and Mets originally offered more. Please don't.

Put this on a T-Shirt and I'll wear it.

So... this would be generation generalizations?

I don't anything about Arnold Schoenberg other than his work in the Terminator movies. However... In the Rock world that I'm much more familiar with. The exploitation of innovation reaches a point of exhaustion and that exhaustion produces the next wave, In 1967... Brian Wilson's Pet Sounds was innovation. Sgt. Peppers was innovation. Jimi Hendrix was an innovator in 1967. The Doors as well. After they changed the landscape... the copycats came, the industry searched for copycats to hopefully reproduce the success while new bands dug the sound. Until exhaustion produced Jim Croce, Bread and the Carpenters until which exhausted itself into Disco and Corporate Rock and so forth. The Twins application of analytics might be in the Disco phase. There doing something different and it's selling some records but it may be short lived.

In my opinion... Relocation is currently very difficult. Again in my opinion... it's mainly because the owners have the country carved up and will stand in the way of teams entering their extended backyards. Seattle would fight a move to Portland. Atlanta would fight a move to Nashville much like Baltimore fought and had to be compensated for the move to Washington DC. Much like San Francisco fought Oakland moving to San Jose. Relocation is a rare thing in baseball and I think this was a big reason why. Now that the blackout restrictions are hopefully heading toward extinction across the entire baseball landscape. The odds of relocation just might increase accordingly. As for the thought of a new owner possibly relocating. Sure... It's a possibility. It's also a possibility that the Pohlads could relocate if they remain the owners. I'm not going to worry about that with ownership change. I'm not going to worry about it if they remain. However... don't get lost in market size as a preventative. Market size is a strong consideration but if Memphis comes a calling offering a brand new stadium with additional modern revenue streams in the package that don't exist at Target Field. They can make up the 10 million dollars less in audience and then some. . And keep in mind... Reports are that MLB teams will be making less in the future with RSN's dead and gone so the market size advantages may lessen a bit as a result. Also... Baseball Markets are regional. When trying to determine audience size... Don't think Market... think the entire territory. Will they remain regional in the new upcoming landscape of product distribution. I don't know but let's find out.

Could be... I don't know. It does beg a question. If they are putting annual cash in their pocket. 44 Million investment has grown to a 1.5B valuation over the decades. Why Sell? I don't know the answer to that. But the question does beg.

I know that the Giants and Mets offered more to Correa than the Twins did and I also know that Correa agreed to both offers. You typed "Backed Out" in your post. Do you not know what "Backed out" means?

I love your composer comparables. Falvey/Lavine/Baldelli. IMO... Codifiers. The designation of codifier comes from how they seem to weight certain things and then go on a drinking binge with those certain things that they may have overweighted. I describe it this way. The Doctor (Data) may tell them that a glass of wine is good for them. They seem to take the doctors advice to heart by drinking 4 bottles a night which may not be good for them. For example... the left vs left platoon split. They have taken the same data that all teams have... over weighted it and are platooning to an extreme beyond what other teams are doing with the same data. Before that... the Twins had an extreme reaction to pitchers and the third time through the order. The data supports starting pitchers not doing so well the third time through. The Twins take the application of that data to a new level... beyond what other teams were doing with the same data. The data may say that a glass of wine is good for you but they got a brown paper bag on that bottle as they carry it around with them all day. Are they testing the perimeters by being an extreme version of this followed by an extreme version of that? I don't know. From my chair it just seems to create other unintended issues. Protecting your lefties as caused your right handed hitters to become exposed. Protecting your starters from the third time through the order exposed the bullpen. Anyway... I loved your post. I love the open sound of a suspended 4th. But have some balance though... don't hang out there all day... come back to the major third. Margot going 0 for 30 as a pinch hitter is being in a suspended state of dissonance with no resolve.

Are you saying that Correa decided not to play for the Giants and Mets? Are you saying that the Twins could trade the entire Correa contract to the Giants and Mets because they we're willing to pay more?

Probably take a hit... However we do have elimination of the middle man. Diamond/Bally was paying 50 million or whatever they paid to make at least 51 million in return. That middle man is gone.

Easy Peasy John Bonnes alone could bring us close to home... That's what I'm thinking... he could afford some if he did just a little less drinking.

I couldn't name any of her songs... But Damn It... I'm a Swiftie. More power to her. She wrote the songs... they belong to her and she got them back. I couldn't name any of those songs... but... More Power to her. I'm a Swiftie. Go Chiefs!!! Ok Not that Far... But I'm a Swiftie.

I agree with Nick... Baseball isn't the greatest sports investment at the moment. The cable deals are struggling because the demo's are struggling. I'm investing in the Loons if it was my call. I also agree with you Mike... It's a pretty safe investment especially in 1984. I'd imagine that if there is no future value... nobody is buying at 1.5 million or whatever price is agreed upon. I'd imagine that someone is going to buy so things are fine on that end. However... the point remains the same. Unless they are incredibly bad at it and invest in apartment complexes for Camels in Vermont. These folks with money are going to turn 44 million into a lot more money over 4 decades. 1.5 Billion shouldn't shock anyone. Money makes more money. In 1984 coming out of high school... I invested 44 dollars in Eggs. Those Eggs are worth 8,000 dollars now. Turned them into Chickens and Buffalo Wild Wings is charging me 28 Dollars for a dozen wings in 2024. The Eggs were a good investment... Spending the profit on Buffalo Wings was not.

I'm with ya. Lots of people point out the valuation change over decades. They may be missing a few considerations. Lesson #1: Money tends to make Money. They could have dropped 44 Million into Home Depot in 1984 and done much better. They could have taken that 44 Million and built a company that produces rabbits out of hats and be valued at much more. Lesson #2: Money tends to make more money.

Great Post The Orioles were purchased by a group of 9 people. Rubenstein is the principle owner but there are at least 8 others involved in the purchase... including a very wealthy Michael Bloomberg along with Cal Ripken and Grant Hill. The Orioles obviously had a plan to tear it down and build it back up... however... with many young talented pieces in place... they are currently 20 million behind the Twins in payroll for 2024. The only reason I bring this up. Those expecting a major change... might be in for a surprise. The surprise would actually be major change. Just a new principle owner that the fans will be upset with in the future.

I promise you that I'm not going to live in fear. Not going to celebrate... not going to cry. "Meet the new Boss... Same as the old boss". I'm going to pick up my guitar and play just like yesterday and I'll get on my knees and pray... We don't get fooled again.

That's what I love about you Mr. Arko. You always see it.

I've got around $100,000 that I can part with... Give a take a grand or two. Maybe we can pool our money on Twinsdaily and raise the other 1.5 Billion. Anybody In?

I don't care is my opinion. I honestly don't. Anyone thinking a new owner is riding in on a white horse needs to be careful. The new owner could also arrive on a dragon. If we get new owners... we will find out if it was good bad or the same.