Brock Beauchamp
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Yeah, it's "on the chart". Semien hit 33 homers in the last full season anyone played as a shortstop and literally broke the record for homers by a second basemen in 2021. Stop trying to twist something to fit your point and examine the actual facts. Marcus Semien is a better baseball player than Andrelton Simmons by every ****ing measure except the one you want to use because you so badly want to prove a point. Just stop it already. -
Actually in 2019 the Nationals had the seventh highest payroll by SporTrac. The thing is that you're letting the tail wag the dog, which is a classic sports trope. Every season in literally every sport, people praise the champion and then many try to emulate that formula. Except there's a new champion every year and their formula is different every year. For example, the Jays went big this season and will likely be worse next season. They did all the things right, still lost, and now will lose Ray and Semien. Baseball is painfully random and there are dozens of ways to win. The Giants are currently winning with a collection of old men on crutches. Good for them. There are so many ways to win, try to enjoy the ride.
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I will never understand the fan obsession with a player that prevents them from acknowledging that your favorite team should not prioritize that player while that player also is good at baseball.
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For those who remain unclear, I obviously have no relation to Nick Beauchamp.
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Don't even start. Nick. You ****ing ****, I'll never forgive you for that time you ****ing **** did that thing that ****ing ruined every **** **** thing ever. **** **** bitch **** little piece of ****. Yeah, we're family!
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STOP USING BATTING AVERAGE AS THE END-ALL OF OFFENSIVE PERFORMANCE MY GOD MAN YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ARGUE AT LEAST ARGUE HONESTLY The all caps there are only half-joking with my frustration. You're very intentionally using batting average as the only stat that matters out of convenience. Even if you're an "old school" baseball fan, I doubt you believed Killebrew was bad at hitting. So stop arguing dishonestly and do it right now.
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The only way to coordinate this kind of thing is to tank for multiple years, as the Cubs and Astros did. Except the Cubs and Astros won only two of the past five World Series. There are other ways to compete without tanking, coordinating prospect rise, and then making the stars align for a couple of years by spending. In fact, the Astros don't even fit that model anymore. As the Cubs are once again tanking, Houston is still going strong and waiting for the ALCS to start after they've bled off very good players to free agency for the past several years. There are dozens of ways to win in baseball. Let's not tunnel vision into believing there are just one or two.
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One aspect that isn't great about this strategy - and I'm not necessarily arguing against it, just pointing it out - is that it locks the team into the same payroll and likely decline phase for multiple players at once. If you sign a pitcher and a shortstop for a combined $45m per for five years each, that likely leads to some real payroll ugliness in years four and five as your home-grown talent demands their own raises. But is there an alternative to doing this? I don't know. Maybe a high-priced signing, a big trade, and then 1-3 year filler pieces counteract that possibility a bit.
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Me and this thread:
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From a performance standpoint (and the price he *should* demand), Story might be my favorite target but for the reasons you listed, someone will likely drive his price beyond where it should land.
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Okay, then let me frame it this way: instead of generalizations about bunch of players with different timelines and situations, give me a player and date they should have been called to play in Minnesota. Excepting Miranda, as we agree on that front.
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A wildly different era with wildly different rules of operation. And still, Puckett made his MLB debut as a 24 year old.
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Yeah, and I wavered talking about that in my OP but decided the post was too long as it was. Maybe my point was lost in the shuffle a bit but most of my problem comes in the form of wasted seasons. The Twins felt pressured to keep Gomez in MLB, even though he wasn't ready to be there. That resulted in them essentially losing seasons of Gomez and ultimately trading him before he turned into the player he would later become. The Twins later made the same mistake with Hicks after trading Revere. Then they traded Hicks, which forced them to make the same mistake again with Buxton when it was obvious he needed better, more consistent coaching. A lot of wasted years and talent in that paragraph.
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Yes, because he's going to sign for a single year and definitely won't sign a 4-5 year deal that pushes him past 35. Don't be pedantic.
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...he was good.
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I'm open to the idea the Twins should spend big on a shortstop instead of multiple pitchers but the one that scares me away is Semien. I was a big proponent of signing him last offseason but he's pushing well past 30 years old at this point, played second almost exclusively last season, and his price will likely be obnoxiously high after his 2021 season, which I do not expect him to repeat.
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I highly recommend this podcast if you're not already following. It's a great daily podcast to complement what John and Aaron are doing with GatG on a weekly(ish) basis.
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The only thing that surprises me about this situation is that Jon Gruden became an NFL head coach 23 years ago and it took this long for something of this kind to happen.
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In Target Field.
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I excluded any players who were traded for prospects, no matter the return. Given where the Twins were at the time, trading MLB talent for prospects was the right move, even if the prospect didn’t pan out. All that means to me is they should have chosen a better trading partner and/or different prospects.
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There's a team out there willing to give Buxton a single season $25m contract if he wants a make-good contract. The upside is just too damned high for a team like the Dodgers not to jump at that opportunity. I think Buxton pretty easily gets a 4-5 year, $100m+ deal on the free market today if that's the route he wants to take.
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Except every player you listed here fell into one of four categories: 1. Injured 2. Mediocre/Bad 3. Young & Inexperienced 4. Jose Miranda If you bullet point out the season of each player, it becomes a lot more understandable why this all shook out as it did. I mean, maybe they could have promoted Austin Martin but I don't see much immediate upside there. He was acquired in August, is in AA, 22 years old, and hasn't developed nearly the power the team wants to see from him. Nobody else was ready. Balazovic had a yo-yo season and looked very good at times in Wichita but when should the Twins have promoted him, after 40 IP? That's a massive jump for the guy after being injured. I'll give you Jose Miranda, though. I thought there was little excuse not to see him in a Twins uniform at some point in the season.
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Hocking and Punto were a range of outcomes for part-time players. One bad, one good. No, I didn't point out that Hocking was the bad outcome, I assumed that was implied. If you don't want to use WAR, then choose a metric of your liking. But the ultimate point here is threefold: 1. What great revelation would have come out of seeing Gordon for an additional 75-100 PAs and how would it have swayed opinion so much that it makes this a hill to die on? 2. How hard are you willing to make life on rookie pitchers to see "what you have" in a guy that profiles as a bench player, maybe not even a 300 PA bench player? 3. In the end, the outcome was the bloody same so why does this matter? And for the love of god, stop saying "process" because, again, we're talking about a 10th/11th man that is likely to make the roster either way. "Process" is not "what I wanted to see and all other options are invalid". There is a lot of nuance here and the word "process" does not patch up what is ultimately a difference of opinion and priority, both of which have legitimate points to make and things to consider.
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See, and this is where I think people just aren't paying attention and contextualizing what we're discussing here. Dee Gordon has been a pretty good baseball player, right? I'd say his career is the ceiling of what we can expect from his brother, Nick. Guess who has more career rWAR than Dee Gordon? Nick Punto. Marwin Gonzalez was the ultimate "tenth man" in baseball, right? I'd say his career is the ceiling of Nick Gordon. I'll give you one guess who has more career rWAR than Marwin Gonzalez. I'd say I'm putting some rather fair framework on this discussion. And while I disagree with how often they played Simmons, it is NOT bad process to protect a pitching staff loaded with rookies, pitchers you expect to anchor a staff for years to come, with a competent shortstop behind them. It's just not.
