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    Twins Fall To Yankees... Again. Looking Back, Looking Forward.


    Seth Stohs

    The Minnesota Twins season came to an end on Tuesday night at the hands of the New York Yankees. Let me know if you've heard that one before. It was the Twins 13th straight postseason loss. Many of them have been to the Yankees and that trend continued despite the Twins seven-season hiatus from the playoffs.

    The Twins' season came to an end. It was a tremendous turnaround and yet another loss to the hated Yankees leaves a bad taste in our mouths.

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    Coming into the game, there were several things that the Twins needed to do to give themselves a chance to advance to the AL Division Series against Cleveland. A couple happened. A couple did not.

    Fast Start

    We all know about the Yankees bullpen. We knew how dominant they could be. Luis Severino was one of baseball's best starting pitchers in 2017, but he struggled against the Twins in a start two weeks ago and at 23, you never know how he would handle the spotlight.

    Many believed that the Twins would need to be aggressive to try to get ahead early. Well, Brian Dozier led off the game for the Twins. He was patient and on a 3-1 pitch, he hit a home run to give the Twins a 1-0 lead. With one out and Jorge Polanco on first base, Eddie Rosario came up and rocketed a hanging, spinning slider just over the fence in right field. 3-0 lead Twins.

    Fast Start - Successful!

    Score Runs When Possible

    Severino gave up a single to Eduardo Escobar and a double to Max Kepler. That was the end of the night for Severino. Chad Green came on with runners on second and third and just one out. He struck out the next two batters, and the Twins had their 3-0 lead after 1/2 inning, but it could have been worse.

    In radio interviews earlier on Tuesday, I thought runs would be at a premium in this game and that any time they had the opportunity to score runs, they needed to. They needed to find a way to score runners from third base with less than two outs. In the above situation, the Twins really needed to find a way to score at least one more run.

    At game's end, the Twins had left six runners on base.

    Twins Needed A Strong Start

    The Twins didn't need Ervin Santana to throw a complete game shutout, while that would certainly have been just fine too. They just needed him to get them to the sixth and preferably the seventh inning having given up two or less runs. Santana was the easy choice for the Twins and Paul Molitor to start. With his 2017 numbers, he earned it. He showed good stuff, and he was throwing harder down the stretch. He was the one Twins starter that we felt would be able to handle the pressure of Yankees Stadium and keep them in the game despite his lack of playoff success or lack of success in Yankees Stadium.

    Well, after being given a 3-0 lead in the top of the first, Santana gave up a three-run homer to Didi Gregorius in the bottom of the first inning. Sure, Aaron Judge reached out and muscled a blooper into center field. Sure, a 2-2 pitch was shown by technology to be a strike three and when it was called a ball instead, Santana gave up the home run. In other words, he could have been out of the inning with a two- or three-run lead.

    Santana then gave up a solo homer to Brett Gardner in the second inning. He got through the second inning, but Todd Frazier crushed a ball to dead center that Byron Buxton leaped and caught before banging into the wall.

    Santana didn't give the Twins what they really needed.

    Berrios Get Them to the 7th

    Jose Berrios was in the bullpen for the Wild Card game, and if Santana had a short start, or even a five-inning start, I felt it was important for Berrios to get them through the seventh inning. Well, he went three innings, and gave up three runs, and got them only through the fifth inning. He sure impressed the ESPN broadcasters with the movement on his fastball, but like Santana, his slider was often more of a spinner.

    And Then There's More

    Trevor Hildenberger had a 1-2-3 sixth inning, but he left with one out in the seventh inning and the bases loaded. Taylor Rogers struck out the one batter he faced. Alan Busenitz was brought in and walked the first batter he faced on four pitches to give the Yankees another run. He came back with a strikeout.

    Zack Granite had to replace Byron Buxton who left the game a couple of innings after slamming into the center field wall. He stole a base and came up twisting his back. It affected his swing, so he had to come out. That felt like a dagger as much as anything.

    Granite did well. In his first at-bat, he singled. In his second at-bat, he grounded toward first. The first baseman flipped to the pitcher who dropped the ball. The ball went to second baseman Starlin Castro who was backing up the play. Castro tagged Granite who was called out. Had he turned the wrong way? No. He inexplicably did not touch first base. I'd offer some explanation, but as I noted, it was inexplicable.

    While some may say that it is some sort of sign that Granite 'gave up,' I don't think that's fair. No one was giving up. This was a resilient team and a bunch of gritty players. Granite wasn't giving up, but somehow his footwork got messed up to completely miss the bag. It's something that does happen, but you don't want it to happen in a playoff game, and unfortunately, it ends up being almost a microcosm of the Twins/Yankees situation.

    The Twins lost 8-4 in New York and the streak continues. Unfortunately, the Twins season comes to an end, but it's hard to look at the Twins 2017 season as anything but a huge success.

    The Twins improved by 26 wins, jumping from 59 to 85. While some may choose to say that this team just could not match up with the top four teams in the AL (Cleveland, Houston, Boston, New York), they were able to beat all of the rest of the teams in the league by five games. So yes, they are "just" the fifth best team in the American League, but when they were the worst team in all of baseball in 2016, being the fifth best team in their league is pretty good.

    There are a lot of questions for Derek Falvey and Thad Levine to consider. One is will they be more active than last year. Their first decision will have to be whether or not to keep manager Paul Molitor or bring in their own manager. How will that affect the rest of the coaching staff. Many more front office decisions are likely, and that's all before even getting to the on-field decisions they have to make.

    Derek Falvey and Thad Levine deserve a lot of credit. They've begun to implement their systems and a new culture. It's clear that it is much more analytical than a year earlier and it will continue to emerge as more analytical. The coaches and players will have more and more information.

    But Terry Ryan and Bill Smith and Rob Antony deserve a lot of credit too. They brought in much of the core of the 2017 and helped their development by being patient and pushing them at an appropriate pace.

    Brad Steil and his staff deserve credit for the player development in recent years that brought this team of young core players .

    The managers and coaching staffs in the minor leagues deserve a lot of credit as well for developing these players.

    James Rowson has earned and been given a lot of credit for his work with the young hitters, especially Eddie Rosario, Jorge Polanco and Byron Buxton. Jeff Pickler worked with the outfielders, but part of his job title involved being a liaison between player development and the big league coaching staff.

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    Meh, I thought the umpires did a good job yesterday. It was a tight strike zone, but they were consistent on both sides from what I could tell. Severino had his fair share of close calls that didn't go his way either.

     

    Concur. I thought the umpiring was great. Tight zone.

     

    And there were a number of Twins hitters who got pitches to hit, and didn't.

     

    Umpiring had nothing to do with this loss.

    One thing I will add on the Gregorius pitch was that Castro was set up mid-to high outside and the pitch came in low and to the inside.   So Castro had to move his glove down and to the right.   Definitely was a strike according to their strike box but from the Umps live viewpoint you can see why it looked low.   If Castro's glove was set where it was pitched it probably would have been a strike.   This can be used as an argument to automate the strike zone to remove that human misperception.  It also shows how off Santana's control was as he was missing Castro's targets in the first inning.      

    I'm really curious where Grossman fits in the scheme of things.  Granite has to be better defensively than Grossman and I would think that there are better bats around than Grossman (maybe not).  It seems that we are kind of trying to put a square peg in a round hole because he's not good in the outfield and doesn't have the kind of pop you would want in a DH.  He did not look good last night at the plate.

     

    Meh, I thought the umpires did a good job yesterday. It was a tight strike zone, but they were consistent on both sides from what I could tell. Severino had his fair share of close calls that didn't go his way either. 

    Agreed...not sure the NY fans would agree as they seem to expect every close pitch to go their way.  Made me laugh though.

    Definitely time to clean house in the coaching staff, except for Rowson, though, I don't know how you do that to a new Manager:  "Here is your hitting coach."?

     

    Twins had a great year, and like under Gardy, that means they are just good enough to feed to the Yankees.

     

    Don't want that life any more.

    I'm surprised there isn't more conversation about the balls and strikes calls. Maybe I'm just a sore loser, but Santana struck out Gregorius before that home run. Then, Castro got screwed when the umpire expanded the zone outside on him, and he had to strike out on the next pitch that was outside the zone. I didn't pay too much attention to the calls the rest of the game, but those were two big calls.

     

    I'm probably just biased, but it seemed to me like at least those two calls had a major effect on the game, and we didn't get any important breaks from the ump.

     

    And you can offer excuses, like Santana didn't throw the pitch in the right location, and Castro had to reach for it. But the umpire should be calling the strike zone, not where and how the pitch is caught. It's time we had balls and strikes called by someone who isn't distracted by shiny objects or influenced by crowds.

     

    I'm really curious where Grossman fits in the scheme of things.  Granite has to be better defensively than Grossman and I would think that there are better bats around than Grossman (maybe not).  It seems that we are kind of trying to put a square peg in a round hole because he's not good in the outfield and doesn't have the kind of pop you would want in a DH.  He did not look good last night at the plate.

    He's still relatively cheap so I'd expect he'd be back in a reduced role. I think part time DH/OF/bench bat works for him. He gets on base which is a good thing.

     

    I think Sano is going to get a lot of games as the DH next year.

     

    Agreed...not sure the NY fans would agree as they seem to expect every close pitch to go their way.  Made me laugh though.

     

    That's just NY fans. The way they were reacting last night, if a pitch hit the dirt before home plate, they would boo because it was called a ball. 

     

    I'm really curious where Grossman fits in the scheme of things.  Granite has to be better defensively than Grossman and I would think that there are better bats around than Grossman (maybe not).  It seems that we are kind of trying to put a square peg in a round hole because he's not good in the outfield and doesn't have the kind of pop you would want in a DH.  He did not look good last night at the plate.

     

    He's not a great fit, because he's pretty terrible defensively so it's hard to play him in the OF if Rosario is starting (and the way eddie hit this year, it's hard not to start him). He's an on base machine, but you'd like a guy to be a bit more of a threat if he's your primary DH. and If Sano needs more time at DH next year, it's increasingly hard to carry him. Granite profiles better as your 5th OF right now (until he proves he can be a high average hitter in MLB) but he's a good defensive player you can slot in anywhere. It's not an easy call and may depend on what the free agent market looks like for hitters.

     

    Clearly the focus for next year will be pitching. The offense and defense are where we need them to be, the pitching has to improve, especially in the rotation.

     

     

    As a minor league emergency depth piece...ok. A 6th or 7th OFer.

    As a regular backup major league OFer? Wayyyyyy too limited offensively. No arm.

    No thanks.

     

    I think they can do better too but Ben Revere managed to find work at the ML level for a long time with the same profile.

     

    I'm surprised there isn't more conversation about the balls and strikes calls. Maybe I'm just a sore loser, but Santana struck out Gregorius before that home run. Then, Castro got screwed when the umpire expanded the zone outside on him, and he had to strike out on the next pitch that was outside the zone. I didn't pay too much attention to the calls the rest of the game, but those were two big calls.

     

    I'm probably just biased, but it seemed to me like at least those two calls had a major effect on the game, and we didn't get any important breaks from the ump.

     

    And you can offer excuses, like Santana didn't throw the pitch in the right location, and Castro had to reach for it. But the umpire should be calling the strike zone, not where and how the pitch is caught. It's time we had balls and strikes called by someone who isn't distracted by shiny objects or influenced by crowds.

     

    That strike out would have only been the 2nd out but its hard to argue that the Twins chances would have been much better had the proper call been made.   I am ready for electronic balls and strikes.  It's just too much to expect a human to make calls with precision on a 95mph pitch with movement and the impact of bad calls is significant.  It also will eliminate the time guys spend standing outside the box muttering after a call they disagree with.

     

    Terry Ryan, Bill Smith and Rob Antony get ZERO credit. Why? Two seasons, Aaron Judge and Kohl Stewart. One was drafted before the other, and a reminder of how HORRIBLE this team was managed for years, on old school thinking. I, for one, do not take this loss lightly. For all the high draft picks that we have had, it was expected that the Twins reach this stages ages ago. Late to the party is no excuse for having the wrong dress on. Sorry, but Terry Ryan, Bill Smith and Rob Antony do not get credit. They ran this club into the ground.

     

     I think you might want to reconsider that logic.  There is plenty to complain about but that pick is not among them.  Literally every team in MLB passed on Judge, including the Yankees.  They picked Eric Jagielo who does not look like he will ever play in the majors with the 26th pick and took judge 32nd.  Kohl Stewart was a consensus top 10 even top 5 pick.  To suggest it was incompetent to pick Stewart ovber Judge is to say that everyone involved in that draft for every MLB team was incompetent.

     

    The pick I hated was Tyler Jay.  Benintendi and Happ were picked right behind him.

    Edited by Major Leauge Ready

    Revere has a career .280 MLB BA.

    Granite's OBP and ISO this year track with Revere's better years and he was generally better than Revere in the minors. If he continues his trend of improvement, he should be a more valuable offensive player. On defense, Revere had two excellent years in the outfield (and then became somewhat bad), so Granite may have some work to do to match Revere's best defensive work. No matter what, however, he is way better than Grossman in the field.

    Edited by Deduno Abides

     

    Minnesota Nice!!

     

    NY idiot. He is from NYC, right (a Staten Island High School)? Maybe he was on the take?   Just kidding, but his severe mental mistakes in LA and this Wild Card game are unforgivable in my book.  

     

    There is one mission..... only.... when running to first base...... and that is to step on the base - hopefully before the ball gets there. Anything can happen, and sometimes does. TOUCH THE DAMN BASE!

     

    Meh, I thought the umpires did a good job yesterday. It was a tight strike zone, but they were consistent on both sides from what I could tell. Severino had his fair share of close calls that didn't go his way either. 

     

    Any wrong call is tragic, in my opinion. And just because it was consistently off on both sides, how does that ever make it better or correct? A perfect pitch by Santana was missed, and drastically changed this game. I, for one, will never be accepting of something that could so easily be improved for the better of the game.

    There is one mission..... only.... when running to first base...... and that is to step on the base - hopefully before the ball gets there. Anything can happen, and sometimes does. TOUCH THE DAMN BASE!

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    That strike out would have only been the 2nd out but its hard to argue that the Twins chances would have been much better had the proper call been made.   ..........

     

    The next batter pops out to Buxton in shallow center. That would have been 3 outs, with the score 3-0.  There were 14 additional pitches thrown by Santana after Gregorius actually had struck out (not including the 6 to Marte for the fly out, which should have been out #3, not 2). 14 extra pitches in the 1st inning - 1 To Gregorius, 7 to walk Bird, and 6 to get Hicks to ground out. Santana would have been pitching ahead, and even after the second inning solo homer, the game would have been 3-1.

     

    So, I heartily disagree that the Twins chances wouldn't have been much better had the proper call been made. (and that is not entertaining that the Bird walk, and the Hicks strikeout would have been in the 2nd inning, and the 1st out, and Gardner wouldn't even had come to bat in the second to hit the home run..... because that is just ridiculous to consider because there is no reason to think the same chain of events that happened would happen if the space time continuum had been changed by actually correctly calling strike three in Gregorius' at bat)   :whacky028:

     

     

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