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    Berrios Dominates Again... Call Him Up!


    Seth Stohs

    Not long after JO Berrios put together, arguably, his best start of season, he sat in the Red Wings bus just starting the 90-mile drive from Syracuse to Rochester. Instead of sitting back and relaxing, he took the time to take (and welcome) a phone call from a Twins Daily writer.

    As Jeremy opined in today’s Minor League Report, “He’s arguably the best pitcher in the entire organization right now.”

    But will he get called up for September? The answer to that question likely has changed in the mind of Paul Molitor, Terry Ryan and others in the Twins front office over the last two or three weeks. I know it has changed for me now.

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    Berrios felt really good about his Wednesday night start. A season-high 12 strikeouts in seven shutout innings will make a pitcher feel pretty good. Of the start, Berrios said, “Tonight, all three pitches were really nice. The best one was the curveball. I used it to strike them out.”

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    Having watched several of Berrios’s starts, it appears that he’s had all three of his pitches working well most times out. He says that it is important and has been a focus for him. “You need to use all three pitches to get out big league hitters. The more I throw them, the more confident I am with all three pitches.”

    Berrios is quick to credit others for his success. The first thing he said was “All Glory to God!”

    He also says that he has received great advice from his coaches in Rochester too. “Yeah, here they want me to work with the curveball, and that’s what I’ve done. I’ve worked with that. I’ve thrown it pretty good.”

    It is interesting that Terry Ryan is watching the Red Wings. Asked if he notices Terry Ryan or thinks about the fact that the Twins GM is in the stands watching, Berrios answered quickly. “I don’t think about him. I just do my work and try to get outs and pitch my game.”

    However, we all know that Berrios works really hard. It was his goal before the season to make the big league club on Opening Day. He began at AA and dominated there.

    He wanted to be in the big leagues before he turned 21 in early May. Instead, he started another Futures Game for the World Team. He moved up to AAA where after his first two starts, he has continued to dominate.

    So, what would it mean for him to get that call in September? “It’s my dream from when I was young. It would be a blessing if they called me up in September. If they give me the opportunity to move up, I would try my best to help the team get to the playoffs.”

    There is no question that he and his teammates are keeping close tabs on the Twins big league club and their strong success this season.

    Asked if seeing Tyler Duffey’s success gives him confidence that he can succeed in the big leagues, Berrios replied quickly. “Yeah! They’ve got a lot of talent, a lot of very good pitchers. They have played very well.”

    It is the youth that has been leading the way for the Twins. Miguel Sano has been crushing pitches since his call up on July 1. Byron Buxton returned to the Twins last week after his injury and has multiple hits in four of his last five games. Puerto Rican outfielder Eddie Rosario has been up since early May and proven that he can play in the big leagues. He has a lot of extra-base hits, and he’s played great defense, showing range and a strong, accurate arm. Duffey has been good in his last three starts.

    Is He Ready?

    There are many angles to the Twins decision to bring up JO Berrios or not. As I wrote earlier, the opinions on that have likely changed in the mind of Paul Molitor and Terry Ryan over the last few weeks. I know that it has changed a few times in the last few weeks.

    First and foremost, JO Berrios is the top pitching prospect in the organization. He has done everything that he possibly can at each minor league level to have earned the right to pitch in the big leagues. In 15 starts at AA Chattanooga, he went 8-3 with a 3.08 ERA. In 90.2 innings, he walked 24 and struck out 92. After last night’s game, he is now 4-2 with a 2.78 ERA in ten starts with the Red Wings. In 64.2 innings, he has walked 13 and struck out 73. He has nothing more to prove.

    That is a lot of success. That is also a lot of innings. Combined, he is 12-5 with a 2.95 ERA. In a career-high 155.1 innings, he has given up 129 hits, walked 37 and struck out 165 batters. His previous career-high innings was 140.1 innings in 2014.

    Many teams subscribe to being concerned about a pitcher working more than a 20% innings increase from year to year. The Twins rarely mention the 20% number though they are aware of it. They monitor it, but they also tend to make those decisions based on how a pitcher is performing on the mound. Beyond numbers, is the pitcher starting to labor more on the mound. Well, based on last night’s performance, Berrios doesn’t appear to be laboring.

    If he were called up to the big leagues and put into the starting rotation, he could make seven more starts in high-pressure situations. Let’s estimate that he averaged six innings per start and he could wind up just shy of 200 innings. Of course, the Twins could also bring him up and put him in the bullpen down the stretch, maybe getting him 15 to 20 more innings.

    For what it’s worth, the Twins have not given Berrios any indication that he is on any innings limit at this time.

    The Business Impact

    As of Thursday morning, the Twins hold the second American League wild card spot. All season, Twins fans have tried to enjoy the ride, always wondering when they might falter. There have been a couple of times, including one week ago after the series in New York, when it was fair to wonder aloud if that time had come. This team has shown great resiliency. They have played themselves back into contention. They have added two quality bullpen options, helping the area of the team that needed it most. The idea that arguably the best pitcher in the organization would not be part of a playoff quest seems wrong.

    To a fault, I admit that I tend to look at the business side of promotions too much. If the Twins were not contending, I would fully understand and agree with the idea that if they didn’t bring him up this year, it made sense.

    Like Buxton, Berrios was a first-round pick in 2012 out of high school. That means that he doesn’t have to be added to the 40-man roster until after the 2016 season. My general belief is that if they are not promoted by early August, it makes little sense for them to call them up and take up a 40-man roster spot. Let him rest and come to spring training as a non-roster invitee in 2016 and come up in late April, gaining another season of his rights before he would hit free agency. It would also allow them to protect another player over the offseason.

    That’s just smart. However, the Twins ARE in contention. They do have a real chance to make the playoffs. In my opinion, that means finding a way to get Berrios on the roster.

    At that point, some of those intangibles have to come in to play. Can the player handle pitching in these types of pressure situations in a playoff push? How will he handle success or failure? How mature is he? How will he perform while pitching in innings that he has never pitched before? How will he handle the big league lifestyle?

    Simply put, there is no way to know with 100% certainty. But they do know JO Berrios. They knew him and watched him before they drafted him in June of 2012. They’ve been able to get to know him better in the past three years. He only turned 21-years-old three months ago, but he is very mature. He is confident yet humble. He clearly has the right work ethic. Beyond that, we don’t know how he will handle it. No one does.

    Tyler Duffey was pitching best for the Red Wings when he was called up. He was drafted the same year as Berrios, but he is three years older because he went to college. He is mature. He was ready for the big leagues. And, he was clearly nervous when he made his debut. It’s fair to say he’s calmed down well over his last three starts.

    Summary

    JO Berrios was great again on Wednesday night for the Red Wings. We talked to him after the game for his thoughts and what a September call up would mean to him. Will he get that call? We’ll find out within the next two weeks. On the mound, he has nothing left to prove, though it is very fair to worry about his innings. He has the makeup and maturity to handle the situation, as well as the confidence and, maybe more important, the pitches.

    There are “business” reasons for the Twins to wait until about April 20, 2016, to call him up, but the fact that the Twins are in strong playoff contention in 2015 and the opinion that he may be the best pitcher in the organization right now, it seems pretty apparent (in my humble opinion) that JO Berrios should spend most of September with the Minnesota Twins.


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    Too many walks... doesn't mix up his pitches enough... he struggles to catch up when he's promoted... we want to make sure that when he's called up it's for good... Aaron Hicks...he's been getting by on trickery that might fool AAA hitters, but major leaguers would eat him alive.

    Nothing to do with service time though.

     

    2 bb/9 seems reasonable to me, but your prerogative on that. Can't comment on his pitch selection because I haven't seen him pitch... Can we stop using Aaron Hicks as a benchmark of what could happen to upcoming prospects?? You say Aaron Hicks...... I say Miguel Sano...... 

     

    I did't mean to imply that the Twins are naive, but only that believing that service time is not the greatest variable in all of this is naive. And, of course there are other variables. 

     

    The teams like the Rays and A's that are not afraid to bring up young pitching (when their stuff and velocity is still their best) are also the teams that flip these guys for future assets, rather than resign them. They view young pitchers pretty much equivalent as NFL teams now view RB's. Use them up when they are young, and are most physically gifted, but don't waste money on the declining and injury years. The Twins only really traded Garza young, the other pitchers were traded due to selling low.

    I knew you meant fans were naive, but it's also naive to suggest the Twins are focused more on service time for a pitcher than other MLB teams.

     

    Seriously, how many pitchers have you heard about who were held back months beyond when they were apparently ready, just to avoid Super-2 or get an extra year of control like Bryant and Longoria?  I can't think of any, really, much less in a pennant race with a record and experience similar to Berrios.

     

    Also, the Rays haven't flipped assets like the A's.  They've signed Archer, Moore, and Davis to long-term contracts.  They also called up all 3 of those (plus Price, Hellickson, and Odorizzi) to help the MLB club in a September pennant race.

     

    No way... if you call up Berrios now he'll walk everybody. Then his confidence will be shot and he'll turn into a headcase like Hicks and be ruined forever. For-ever.

    Now I think you're doubling down on the sarcasm, right?

     

    Earlier in the thread, you said Berrios wouldn't be "ready" until 3 weeks into 2016, but also said it wasn't about service time -- that's what triggered my sarcasm detector...

    Now I think you're doubling down on the sarcasm, right?

     

    Earlier in the thread, you said Berrios wouldn't be "ready" until 3 weeks into 2016, but also said it wasn't about service time -- that's what triggered my sarcasm detector...

     

    Prospects are like souffles in the oven... you open up that oven door too soon and they fall apart.

     

    You've just got to be patient... when Santa TR says it's Christmas morning,then we can have our shiny new toy.

     

    I am of the conclusion/opinion at this point of promoting him. I don't like the idea of adding him to the 40 man this soon, just so we could save another slot for someone else to be protected.

     

    But again, I have come to the decision that he should come up. However, my reasoning is different than what's being discussed on here thus far. 

     

    Could he help us with our playoff push? Yes. If we watch his pitch and innings count, could he possibly help us in to October should we actually get in this thing and win something? Again, yes. But at that point, I would begin to worry about too much wear and tear on his arm. There may not be direct correlation to injury and sudden jumps is usage from one season to the next, but there is a different in 30 innings and possibly 50 or so. IMHO.

     

    The reason I'd like to see him up is to actually see and gain ML experience in preparation for 2016. Can we really doubt that he's going to be part of the rotation next season? And I'm not worried about service time. Barring injury or some such, he's going to be signed to some form of contract or extension before we'd have to worry about his FA year. (same as Buxton and Sano)

     

    I am fully aware of contractual obligations we have to SP's on the roster. And I am not slamming the Twins for signing them. But we could realistically see Gibson, May, Berrios and Duffey as part of the 2016 rotation. When is the last time you could say the Twins had four legit young arms to flesh out the rotation? I'd like to get Berrios some time this year to get him better prepared for next year.

    Great article, great comments. Let me summarize what I'm hearing and offer a new option...

     

    1-Berrios has continued to be lights out throughout his 155.1 innings, but he has nothing left to prove in the minors.

     

    2-He could help the big club make the playoffs by getting up to 7 or starts and then ostensibly would get a few more when we go on a Royals-type run.

     

    3-He could help the big club by joining the bullpen as a lights-out setup guy and then ostensibly (I like that word) would get a few more when we go on a Royals-type run.

     

    4-To be eligible for the postseason roster, he has to be promoted by Aug. 31.

     

    5-Ostensibly (see point 3), a primary reason to skip points 2 and 3 is to keep the clock from starting on his arbitration/free agent clock.

     

    6-Because he has nothing left to prove in the minors, he is a given to start 2016 in the rotation.

     

    7-There is no No. 7, at least not yet.

     

    Let me now spin out a scenario in a different direction...

    1-I like the first part of No. 1, but I think he does have something to prove. Namely, that he can pitch 200-230 innings, which is where I think we see him headed in the future. He only pitched 103.2 in 2013, 140 in 2014, and is at 155.1 this year. Study or no study, going from 140 IP to 200 IP as a 21-year-old scares me.

     

    2-Which is why I don't like No. 2 above. Seems like the injury risk is too great.

     

    3-One could argue (and I think someone did) that he would upgrade the bullpen more than he would upgrade the rotation. At the least, in the bullpen, his innings could be managed well. He would never pitch in a game when the Twins are up or down more than three runs. One could argue that having him start a game when the Twins score six runs, for example, is a wasted start, because even the worst starter ought to keep them in the game (especially when backed up by Berrios himself if the schmuck gives up five). So, I like the idea of bringing Berrios up to the bullpen and giving him the opportunity to pitch up to 15 or so innings out of the bullpen on days when he's rested and on days when his innings have the potential to make a difference between a win and a loss. The moment they are deemed out of the playoff chase, shut him down and let him live the good life and learn the MLB process. This approach keeps him at about 170 innings, which feels much better coming on the heels of last year's 140.

     

    4-Make the promotion by the 31st so that he can help us in the ostensible playoff run. Keep him in the pen in the playoffs to help manage innings, but feel free to bring him in a bit earlier if the game is getting away, etc. If he ends up getting a little past 170 innings, at least it was spread over a longer time span.

     

    5-Help me if I'm understanding incorrectly. To pull a Kris Bryant, the thought is to keep him off the MLB roster until a couple weeks into season, say April 20 or whatever the magic day is, right? but can't we accomplish thing by using him for a month now and waiting to bring him up until about May 20? But, you say, that's a dumb idea because of No. 6.

     

    6-But I wonder. Again, I don't think he's proven that he's ready for the jump to 200-230 innings. And if we're talking about a long playoff run in 2016, it's

    probably going to include Berrios getting us there and Berrios carrying us through the early rounds, getting him to 230 innings or more. I'd love to see that happen, but I'm really skeptical about a progression of 103.6-140-170-230. But bring him up on May 20 and he can get to late October on 200 innings in healthy fashion.

     

    7-But how do we get to May 20 without the mighty Berrios? Don't forget that we've got Santana, Hughes, and Nolasco under contract for 2016. One can argue that Berrios is better than at least one of them, but realistically, with the kind of money they are getting, they are going to be in the rotation if healthy. And then you've got Gibson, who's pretty much a lock. And Milone's pitched well enough to be viable, particularly at the time of year when a No. 5 starter isn't needed every time through. And I don't think we've given up on May, Meyer, and now Duffey. If Berrios wasn't in the picture, I suspect most of us would feel pretty good about the Santana-Hughes-Nolasco-Gibson-Milone-May-Meyer-Duffey octet fighting for five spots to go along with the Sano-Buxton-Dozier, et al. lineup. Let those eight guys sort themselves into the foursome that is joined by Berrios when the next opening appears after May 20. Let Berrios stay sharp by pitching about 75 pitches every five-six days in Rochester. (Besides, maybe I'll get lucky and one of those games will be in Toledo so I can see him, but I digress.)

     

    7a-And if Berrios comes in and lights things up spring training, perhaps you say, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead." But I will also say that I live in northern Indiana where all my Cub-fan friends were flipping out about Bryant getting sent down. They'll be singing a different tune in a couple winters when they've got him locked up for an extra year.

     

    If you've survived this far, is there any wisdom here?

     

     

     

    Berrios should be up. There just isn't any question. If there isn't room for him in the rotation, there certainly is in the bullpen. This is just silly.

     

    I wonder, if Santana stinks it up again on Sunday, if the Twins wouldn't consider pushing Berrios back one day (his next start should be Monday, I think) and having him start the Twins next game, on Tuesday, September 1st at home versus the White Sox.

     

    Then, after seeing him live, they could either shut down Santana or move him to the bullpen or rest him for a few starts or even start him and shut down Berrios. 

     

    Actually, I wonder if the Twins might not consider that even if Santana doesn't stink. At the very least, it could help draw some attention to this team as they're in their most significant stretch of baseball in four years. 

     

     

    Looking at the International League standings, I wonder if the Twins aren't just waiting for the Red Wings to be eliminated. 5.5 games back with 12 to play. I wonder if that also doesn't play into whether the Twins let Berrios start on 8/31 in Rochester or 9/1 in Target Field. 

     

    If he starts 8/31, I wonder if everything doesn't just get moved back a week, too. He could get five days of rest and still start in Santana's next start on Saturday in Houston. I'd almost be willing to bet that happens. 

     

    And to think just a few short weeks ago I was reading many comments about trading him away for catching help or for Tulo. Thank the heavens that we didn't do something stupid and trade him away. 

    That's just baseball.  In just a few short weeks you might be saying you were right in wishing we had traded him.   

    And to think just a few short weeks ago I was reading many comments about trading him away for catching help or for Tulo. Thank the heavens that we didn't do something stupid and trade him away.

    I doubt you read many that wanted to trade him for a catcher. There just aren't great catchers available in trade right now.

     

    He was mentioned in regards to Tulo, although actually most posters wanted to deal Gibson instead, as he was one of the Rockies targets named in Jeremy's rumor.

     

    I doubt you read many that wanted to trade him for a catcher. There just aren't great catchers available in trade right now.
     

     

    I just think there are very few great catchers; I'm sure plenty are available for the right price.  I can't think of an exciting catcher other than Buser Posey, it seems to be the only position in baseball right now where the best players are past or near 30-years-old.

     

    Maybe the Cubs found something in Kyle Schwarber, if he sticks.  Sounds like that's a big if though.

     

    I am of the conclusion/opinion at this point of promoting him. I don't like the idea of adding him to the 40 man this soon, just so we could save another slot for someone else to be protected.

     

    But again, I have come to the decision that he should come up. However, my reasoning is different than what's being discussed on here thus far. 

     

    Could he help us with our playoff push? Yes. If we watch his pitch and innings count, could he possibly help us in to October should we actually get in this thing and win something? Again, yes. But at that point, I would begin to worry about too much wear and tear on his arm. There may not be direct correlation to injury and sudden jumps is usage from one season to the next, but there is a different in 30 innings and possibly 50 or so. IMHO.

     

    The reason I'd like to see him up is to actually see and gain ML experience in preparation for 2016. Can we really doubt that he's going to be part of the rotation next season? And I'm not worried about service time. Barring injury or some such, he's going to be signed to some form of contract or extension before we'd have to worry about his FA year. (same as Buxton and Sano)

     

    I am fully aware of contractual obligations we have to SP's on the roster. And I am not slamming the Twins for signing them. But we could realistically see Gibson, May, Berrios and Duffey as part of the 2016 rotation. When is the last time you could say the Twins had four legit young arms to flesh out the rotation? I'd like to get Berrios some time this year to get him better prepared for next year.

     

     

    I don't see such a rotation happening in 2016, I just don't.  I would like to see it but it would take some trades.

    I don't see such a rotation happening in 2016, I just don't.  I would like to see it but it would take some trades.

    And I tend to agree. I still like Hughes a lot and expect a big rebound from him next season. Up until his current injury, and a start or so before that, he was pitching well...really, he just got hot and "corrected" any flaws later this year than he did last season.

     

    I don't see the Twins ridding themselves of BOTH Nolasco and Santana this offseason. There is a real chance to move one of them at least, provided they are willing to eat some salary and don't get greedy on the return.

     

    But the whole point was...unrealistic or not...you could almost pencil in FOUR young starters in the rotation...3 we drafted and 1 we acquired...from our own milb system. Wow!

    Yeah, I am not sure what the point is having Berrios start again at AAA on Aug. 31 if you should be calling him up Sep. 1. This would keep him on regular rest to start Saturday... but that's Ervin's start. And Sunday woukd be Duffey again, who is starting Tuesday. Presumably having Berrios or Duffey available in the pen Sep. 1-3 would be useful?

    I will never understand the Berrios and May* handling, self inflicted wounds that could very well cost them a playoff spot.

     

    I don't get as upset about trades that didn't happen (because who knows all the details) or hesitating to call up mediocre guys (hasn't exactly burned them) or the Santana/Escobar situation (it was at least a defensible plan that failed), but this makes no sense. No reason to waste his bullets if he is coming up.

     

    *And by May handling, it will always be the spot start, not necessarily moving him to the bullpen in the first place.

    I will never understand the Berrios and May* handling, self inflicted wounds that could very well cost them a playoff spot.

     

    I don't get as upset about trades that didn't happen (because who knows all the details) or hesitating to call up mediocre guys (hasn't exactly burned them) or the Santana/Escobar situation (it was at least a defensible plan that failed), but this makes no sense. No reason to waste his bullets if he is coming up.

     

    *And by May handling, it will always be the spot start, not necessarily moving him to the bullpen in the first place.

    The May spot start was a one shot deal, so it didn't concern me at all. May to the pen saved our season and is the only thing preventing talk of 90 losses for five consecutive seasons from our friends on the board.

    The May spot start was a one shot deal, so it didn't concern me at all. May to the pen saved our season and is the only thing preventing talk of 90 losses for five consecutive seasons from our friends on the board.

    Except saving May for that spot start and letting him recover took him out of that vital setup role for about a full week, contributing to several losses during that time.

    Only call him up this year if you plan on having him making the rotation out of spring training. Of course that is not that easy, will he be allowed to play winter ball and what if he has a poor spring training.

    1.Santana

    2. Hughes

    3. Gibson

    4.Nolasco/Milone depending on which you don't trade

    5. Berrios

    6. Duffy?

     

    Which I have to say I really want Trevor May in the 4th slot but I feel teams are going to copy KC with their bullpen success and leave him as a set up man. One problem is that you have to get through the first 6 or 7 innings with a lead.

     

    Only call him up this year if you plan on having him making the rotation out of spring training. Of course that is not that easy, will he be allowed to play winter ball and what if he has a poor spring training.

    1.Santana

    2. Hughes

    3. Gibson

    4.Nolasco/Milone depending on which you don't trade

    5. Berrios

    6. Duffy?

     

    Which I have to say I really want Trevor May in the 4th slot but I feel teams are going to copy KC with their bullpen success and leave him as a set up man. One problem is that you have to get through the first 6 or 7 innings with a lead.

     

    I might look at it the other way. They call him up now, give him a taste of the bigs in a bullpen role and then likely start him in the minors as the sixth starter. This would still manage his innings/stress a little and render any service time issues moot.

     

    It is very, very difficult to break into the majors as a starter on opening day and expect to make it through the season. No matter what happens in September Berrios should be eased into the rotation at the start of next season.

    I'd like to hear one of the Twins Daily writers give one good reason why Berrios pitched 6 innings and 91 pitches tonight.

     

    EDIT: you could argue the Twins are genuinely not concerned with an innings limit, given how young and strong he is. But gee whiz, leave a little in the tank for him :)

     

    Maybe they'll use him in the bullpen? This team just gets me sometimes.

    Edited by Hosken Bombo Disco



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