Jump to content
Twins Daily
  • Create Account
  • Twins News & Analysis

    Twins Daily Roundtable: Extension Candidates


    Cody Christie

    Twins Daily Roundtable is a new weekly series. As part of this series, a question will be posed to the site’s writers and they will respond in 200 words or less. This will give readers an opportunity to see multiple points of view and then add their own point of view in the comments section.

    Minnesota has a lot of questions surrounding their roster for next season. The club has very little money committed beyond the 2018 campaign. While this can be seen as a roster reset, it’s also scary to consider which players might be getting significant playing time next season.

    That being said, extensions are a tricky endeavor. Players reaching free agency can have some flaws. Fans saw how cold the free agent market was last season. This year’s free agent class has some big names but I doubt any of them will end up in a Twins uniform.

    This week’s roundtable discussion question is: “Who’s the one player the Twins should be working the hardest to sign to an extension?”

    Twins Video

    John Bonnes

    I’m hesitant to commit long term to pitcher, but Jose Berrios looks like an exception. Here’s why:

    The Time Is Right

    Next offseason he’ll be in the sweetest of sweet spots for an extension, between his second and third year of service time. At that point he still has one year of making close to minimum wage, so if he has some arm problems, they’re on him. For that kind of player, especially a pitcher, a big chunk of guaranteed money can make a lot of sense.

    He’s Young

    Berrios relatively early start to his career works in both Berrios’ and the Twins’ favor for a long-term extension. He’ll become a free agent after the 2022 season, but he’ll only be 28 years old when he hits the free agent market. If he agrees to a deal that buys out a year of free agency or two, he can still hit the free agent market in his prime as a 29 or 30-year-old

    He’s Good

    But you know that. He should be the top priority this offseason for an extension.

    Nick Nelson

    Before the season started, I suggested that signing Byron Buxton to a contract extension ought to be the front office's top priority. Right now, that take admittedly looks... not good. But I'm not backing away. In fact, Buxton's tumultuous start to the season only decreases his leverage while increasing that of the Twins. Existing questions about his ability to stay healthy and produce at the plate are only magnified, so his desire to attain long-term security ought to be heightened.

    Despite his tribulations and constant regressions, I remain a strong believer in Buxton's game-changing talent. I'm confident he'll pull it all together and blossom into an MVP-caliber player. If the Twins take action now, they could score a discount on some of his best years. And if he continues on the path he's currently on? Well, they'll have much bigger concerns than overpaying him in salary.

    Tom Froemming

    Can I say Royce Lewis? OK, that may be a bit premature.

    There are so many good extension candidates, but I’m going to go with the most urgent one to address. No, not Brian Dozier. The player I think the Twins should be working hardest to extend right now is Eduardo Escobar.

    Like Dozier, Escobar is set to become a free agent at the end of the season. Unlike Dozier, however, Eduado has proven he can be trusted at multiple positions. That creates a ton of flexibility. If Dozier leaves, no problem, Esky can play second. Not convinced Miguel Sano can stick at third? No problem, put Esky there. Think Nick Gordon may need to shift to second base? That’s OK, Esky can handle himself at shortstop.

    The Twins have no shortage of younger players they’ll certainly be interested in keeping around long term, but time is on the team’s side with the majority of those guys. It would be a shame to see Escobar in another team’s jersey next year.

    Cody Christie

    Multiple players could fit into the category of extension worthy. Young players like Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Eddie Rosario, Miguel Sano, and Jose Berrios are all still in their arbitration years. Veteran players like Brian Dozier, Eduardo Escobar, and Joe Mauer will all be free agents at season’s end.

    For veteran players, I believe Dozier and Escobar test the free agent market. I doubt either will be back in a Twins uniform next season. Mauer’s reoccurring concussion issues put his future plans in doubt. I don’t think he goes to another team but I don’t know if he will continue playing after this season.

    For the young core, I don’t trust Sano and Buxton to stay healthy at this point. Rosario is in the midst of a career year so it might not be optimal to sign him right now. That leaves Kepler and Berrios on my list of extension candidates.

    Pitching has always been a sticking point for the Twins. I try to buy out the remaining arbitration years from Berrios and add on some of his free agent years. Even if he is never a true “ace,” he can provide value at the top of the rotation.

    Jeremy Nygaard

    The thing that makes this question really difficult is that the player that's playing the best is likely to be the guy that most fans would say they should try hardest to extend. That guy, right now, is Eddie Rosario. The problem is that when a player is playing the best baseball of his career, you're bound to have to pay a premium to get that player to extend. So I wouldn't work hard - or at all - to extend Rosario. Ask me again the off-season, when Rosario is going into his first arbitration year and his one-year value is somewhat established by previous agreements around the league.

    Max Kepler would be a better player to approach as he's heading into a Super 2 year. But that means there're four more off-seasons before free agency and it might be too early.

    The player who would probably get my current vote is Kyle Gibson. One year left of arbitration before free agency, likely to be part of the "rebuild", getting Gibson signed to a two- to three-year deal would give the Twins some cost certainty and not at a huge cost. The risk to committing money to a pitcher should be partially reduced by the fact that even if Gibson regresses badly, he could still be serviceable in the bullpen. Of course, that's worse case scenario. Best case is you're saving a few hundred thousand on a solid piece of the rotation. Likely scenario is you're getting a mid-rotation guy and you know exactly what it's going to cost you.

    As much as I like thinking about potential extensions, I'm at a point where I'm just curious to see who makes it through the purge in July if things don't start to get a lot better.

    Seth Stohs

    At the beginning of this past offseason, I suggested long-term deals for a whole bunch of Twins players:

    Byron Buxton - 7 years, $76.5 Million

    Miguel Sano - 6 years, $66 Million (with option to make it 7 years, $86 million)

    Jose Berrios - 7 years, $46 Million (with option to make it 8 years, $60 million)

    Eddie Rosario - 5 years, $28.5 Million (with 2 options that could make it 7 years, $54 million)

    Max Kepler - 7 years, $48 Million (with option to make it 8 years, $61 million)

    Brian Dozier - 4 years, $65 Million (with an option to make it 5 years, $73 million)

    Eduardo Escobar - 2 years, $9.5 Million( with an option to make it 3 years, $13.5 million)

    Admittedly, six months later, the offer to Escobar looks a bit silly. He should get much more than that. Negotiating with Eddie Rosario right now would likely end up in a bad deal for the Twins because Rosario is so hot at the plate right now. It is possible that maybe a Buxton deal or a Dozier deal could be more realistic.

    As I look at that list, I have zero interest in working on a long-term deal with Sano at this point. But I'd have interest in each of the others. Priority should be Buxton, Berrios and Kepler, and then Rosario if he ever cools down.

    SD Buhr

    Royce Lewis

    OK, I’m kidding. But not completely.

    If they are as convinced he’s going to be as good as the rest of us think he is, it might not be the dumbest move they’ve ever made to get him locked up for a long time right now. And given that his agent is Scott Boras, they may HAVE to sign extend him right now if they want to have any hope of getting him signed long term, because you know that once he’s even at AA, Boras will want him to just play year-to-year until he’s a free agent.

    Otherwise, though, I’d probably have to suggest getting Jose Berrios locked up ahead of his peers.

    Before the season started, I would have suggested Byron Buxton, but I’m starting to get concerned about whether he’ll ever stay healthy long enough in one stretch to become the hitter we all felt he could eventually become.

    I have similar, if not greater, concerns about Miguel Sano’s long term viability.

    Given the challenges the Twins have had finding and keeping a legitimate top-of-the-rotation arm, they probably should try to extend Berrios right now. Sure, there’s no guarantee that he’ll become a true “ace” (however you choose to define that term), but that’s probably where I’d put my money first, at this point.

    Jamie Cameron

    With their young offensive core, there have been so many challenges between injuries and suspensions. For me, its Jose Berrios by a mile. The Twins haven't had a potential tandem like Berrios and Romero since Santana and Liriano. Berrios is taking steps forward in 2018. He's improved his K/9 from 8.6 to 8.9, reduced his BB/9 from just under 3.0 to 1.7 and is on track to have a fWAR of 4.2 in 2018, that's borderline all-star level. He's currently 24th among pitchers in MLB with an fWAR of 1.4 (Kyle Gibson is 22nd!).

    On top of all of this, Berrios has developed his curveball into one of the better versions of this pitch in baseball. He has an unrelenting thirst to maximize his talent, and just turned 24. The Twins should lock up Berrios ASAP; he can lead their rotation for the next 6-8 years.

    Andrew Thares

    I think that despite his lackluster performance this year, Byron Buxton is still the guy the Twins should be working the hardest to sign to an extension right now.

    His upside is going away the greatest of any player on the Twins, and when healthy he probably still has the highest floor of any Twins player on the roster given what he can do in the outfield and on the base paths.

    Buxton’s skill set is another factor that plays into it. Speed is unquestionably his greatest strength, and he should remain one of the fastest players in baseball until around his early 30s.

    As if right now Buxton is eligible to become a free agent right after his age 27 season. This means he will be a very attractive asset on the open market (assuming he doesn’t keep hitting below the Mendoza Line).

    If the Twins can eat up a couple of Buxton’s free agent years with an extension, I think it will pay huge dividends down the road.

    Ted Schwerzler

    This is a tricky question because I think there's more talented players ahead of the guy I believe the Twins should work to retain. Brian Dozier is going to hit the open market, and Minnesota's effort should begin and end with a qualifying offer.

    Joe Mauer makes sense to be brought back on a one or two year deal if he's healthy, but the brain injury coming back into play could jeopardize that and force him to walk away. Eduardo Escobar isn't going to set the world on fire, but I think we've seen what he brings to the club as a utility guy. Some team may be willing to overpay for that, but if there's a reasonable deal to be made there, that's where I'd look first if I was Derek Falvey and Thad Levine.

    Steve Lein

    Three household names will hit free agency heading into the 2019 season: Joe Mauer, Brian Dozier, and Eduardo Escobar. These are your options as I don’t think Jose Berrios or any of the Twins other young talent are saying yes to a deal at this point, so I wouldn’t be working hard on one.

    Many would like Mauer to play for the Twins his entire career, and for as long as they’ll have him I think that will be the case. So, I don’t try too hard here either.

    Brian Dozier has been a superstar at his position for three years now and is a veteran leader in the clubhouse. He also can only play second base and his heirs apparent are already at AAA (Nick Gordon) or on the suspended list (Jorge Polanco).

    But I’d work the hardest on Eduardo Escobar even without those notes considered. He’s among the best utility players in the game and has thrived when thrown into a starting role. This year he leads all 2B, SS, and 3B in doubles, continuing his blistering finish to the 2017 season. He’s also a veteran presence and extremely likeable, so he’s my pick.

    If you missed any of the previous roundtable discussions, here are the links:

    Romero’s Rotation Spot

    Top Prospect Timelines

    Minnesota’s All-Star Selection

    Follow Twins Daily For Minnesota Twins News & Analysis

    Recent Twins Articles

    Recent Twins Videos

    Twins Top Prospects

    Marek Houston

    Cedar Rapids Kernels - A+, SS
    The 22-year-old went 2-for-5 on Friday night, his fourth straight multi-hit game. Heading into the week, he was hitting .246/.328/.404 (.732). Four games later, he is hitting .303/.361/.447 (.808).

    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    Featured Comments

    Speaking of Dick Bert, and I know this is off topic since we aren't extending RG but: In the game he played left field did he really catch a run of the mill fly ball in medium LF and have a guy tag and move up to third? That's what I remember, but I can't find anything on it. I would have thought such arm strength bes ever a notation. I have never saw it in MLB, not like that one. Dick/Bert called it throwing to the wrong base. You normally wouldn't get away with that in HS.

    If we assume Gordon is a 2B in the major leagues (not a SS...I’d be happy to be wrong), then you’d want to keep (either sign, or ‘not trade’) 2 of the 3 players, those players being Escobar, Dozier, and Gordon. And the ‘other’ 1, you should part with.

     

    I keep Escobar and Gordon...second choice would be keep/sign Escobar and Dozier, but only if that means I included Gordon in a trade for a MLB piece (presumably a catcher). Either way, I’m trying to keep Escobar. Add to that, if Mauer is done, without Escobar you have a big hole at 3B. So, Escobar, Escobar, Escobar. And Gibson.

    My thoughts:

     

    It's probably too early, but Berrios would be my #1 extension candidate. I would like to see the Twins lock in his arb. years and try to buy out a year of free agency.

     

    After that, I'm tempted to say Rosario or Escobar, but I think I'd wait on Rosario. As for Escobar, I would offer him a 3 year $30-36M deal once the season ends, and if he doesn't find anything better in FA, he can come back and take the deal. I wouldn't extend him the qualifying offer because I think there's a high chance he accepts it. He's made around $12M in his whole career, so I think he'd take approx. $18M to play just one season and hit FA at age 31. But who knows, maybe other teams out there are ready to offer him more, and he could decline it.

     

    I want to say Kepler, but he's in the middle of his second average season in a row and I've been waiting awhile for him to explode at the plate, but it hasn't happened. It's probably too soon to extend him.

     

    Over the offseason I would have said Buxton was my #1 priority, but um, well, y'know.

     

    Regarding Dozier, I know the current forum consensus seems to be that he's having a disappointing season, but I'd still offer him a deal around 3 years $36-40M. However, I think he's going to take the biggest deal offered to him, so I think he declines the qualifying offer (that they should offer him) and he signs a bigger deal elsewhere.

    Edited by Danchat

    Also how much would it cost to extend Pressley? He is a former rule 5 pick who is in his 5th season here. I think he may have 2 seasons till he is a FA after this one, but not a bad idea to extend him for 2 or 3 seasons for cost certainty.

    This didn't age well....

    Berríos has to be the top priority to keep in Minnesota.

     

    They all are important, but there are also a plethora of outfield prospects coming through. 

     

    Pitching is such a valuable commodity that it cannot be let slip through your fingers. Developing pitching is hard, but buying pitching is basically not possible. That leaves only one solution... keep the talent you have if at all possible.

    Does anyone know what the qualifying offer numbers will be this off-season? I would extend one to Eduardo.

    This past off-season it was $17.4M.

     

    That's a lot to pay for one year of a player's services. I don't think I want to make a QO to Dozier; he saw the soft market this past off-season, same as we did, and could decide the smart way would be to take the $17M and play it year to year from there on. Such a payday would put him halfway toward what he might receive for a 3-year deal on the open market. Maybe he sees it differently and would turn down the QO, thus rolling the dice. I wouldn't take that chance, as a GM.

     

    No way would I pay Escobar $17M for a season. Hopefully his agent will reach a good extension agreement with the team, something under $10M a year I suppose.

     

    Seems like the $17M could be put to better use.

     

    I'm of two minds about Berrios. Lock up young talent, yeah. But I saw him rubbing his upper arm between innings a game or two ago - it reminds me that pitching goes bad in the blink of an eye. I don't know how to balance the risk. It depends a lot on what he would sign for.

     

    Let's forget Dozier has out produced Escobar every single year and focus on the first 60 games this year. Got it.

    I would confidently bet a lot of money Dozier out produces Escobar this season again.

    I would bet my money confidently Escobar out produces Dozier this season. Let's see who wins at the end.

     

    This past off-season it was $17.4M.

     

    That's a lot to pay for one year of a player's services. I don't think I want to make a QO to Dozier; he saw the soft market this past off-season, same as we did, and could decide the smart way would be to take the $17M and play it year to year from there on. Such a payday would put him halfway toward what he might receive for a 3-year deal on the open market. Maybe he sees it differently and would turn down the QO, thus rolling the dice. I wouldn't take that chance, as a GM.

     

    No way would I pay Escobar $17M for a season. Hopefully his agent will reach a good extension agreement with the team, something under $10M a year I suppose.

     

    Seems like the $17M could be put to better use.

     

    I'm of two minds about Berrios. Lock up young talent, yeah. But I saw him rubbing his upper arm between innings a game or two ago - it reminds me that pitching goes bad in the blink of an eye. I don't know how to balance the risk. It depends a lot on what he would sign for.

    I think Escobar is worth around 3 year 30-36 millions. I don't think he's going to ask anything more than that.

    I guess I don’t understand the QO process. Is it seriously one amount for every player?

     

    That seems ridiculous.

     

    Back in the “old days” players were graded A, B or C once they hit arbitration. It would seem to make more sense to do that and use those grades to establish tiered QO levels.

     

    If it is one QO fits all, the only players who will ever receive them are top level FA. And in reality that level of player is a rarity on the FA market.

     

    Why has MLB always had the compensation system that makes the least sense of any pro sport?

     

    Any idea how many errors a 5-9 with heels on first baseman will cause?   There is a reason that 1B are usually tall.

     

    That reminds me of the first game Tuesday. Petit pinch ran for Sano, and he stayed in at 1b due to the short bench.  The guys next to me in the stands said, "Who is that little guy over at first? They're all wearing 42.  I sure hope the throws don't sail."

    Any idea how many errors a 5-9 with heels on first baseman will cause? There is a reason that 1B are usually tall.

    Doug Mientkiewicz wasn’t very tall. I know he was listed at 6’2”, but that was not accurate. Somewhere I have a picture of him and me. I’m 5’10”. He’s barely taller than me. There was also a picture of Rivas, Guzman, Doug and Koskie standing near second base (after Koskie moved on). They are all about the same height except Koskie, who at 6’3” towered over them. Rivas and Guzman were both under 6’.




    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...