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    Randy Dobnak Should Be the Twins Game 2 Starter


    Andrew Thares

    I know what you are probably thinking: “Whoa whoa whoa, hold on, if there is one thing that is set about the Minnesota Twins starting rotation, it’s Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi are their clear cut one and two starters.” This is a sentiment that I completely agree with and is why I think starting Randy Dobnak in game two of the ALDS would be a good idea for the Twins. So, before you go off on why you think this is a terrible idea, just hear me out for a second.

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    With the suspension of Michael Pineda, and the poor performance from Kyle Gibson and Martin Perez, it is becoming more apparent that the games, outside of the ones Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi start, will need to be pseudo “bullpen” games to get those valuable 27 outs. While conventional wisdom would be to have Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi start the first two games of the series, and then piece together games three and four with the bullpen, the Twins might actually be better off by splitting the Berrios and Odorizzi starts.

    By having Jose Berrios go game one, and Jake Odorizzi go in game three, the Twins can focus games two and four (if necessary) around getting all 27 outs from the bullpen. By having them do it in games two and four, everyone who pitches those nights will get a guaranteed off day the next day, as the teams will have a travel day as they change venues. So, if Rocco needs to burn through almost every arm in the bullpen, he can do so, and they should be back and ready to go for the next game. However, if the Twins were to wait until game three to first implement this strategy, or if they were to start someone like Kyle Gibson or Martin Perez, who could get pulled earlier than expected, it puts the Twins in a real tough situation for game four, as everyone that would pitch in game three wouldn’t get a night off before they might be called on again.

    Another benefit of using this strategy is that the Twins can essentially stock their bullpen with 10 or 11 arms, depending if the Twins carry 12 or 13 pitchers on their postseason roster. This will give Rocco Baldelli the ability to have a short leash with some of his pitchers and avoid letting one guy completely ruin any chance of winning that ballgame. It also protects the bullpen, if Jose Berrios or Jake Odorizzi was to have a short start, from needing to burn through the most valuable bullpen arms to get through that game.

    So, this brings up the still lingering question: Why is Randy Dobnak the guy I think the Twins should turn to in game two of the ALDS, as opposed to guys like Kyle Gibson, Martin Perez, Lewis Thorpe or Devin Smeltzer? The answer is simply this, I believe he has the best chance to give the Twins three or four effective innings before Rocco needs to turn the chains loose on the rest of the bullpen. Kyle Gibson’s struggles of late have been more than apparent, so to trust him to get through a few innings without surrendering a bunch of runs to either the Houston Astros or New York Yankees roster might be a fool’s errand. Additionally, with both the Astros and Yankees lineups being loaded with a ton of right-handed hitting sluggers, Dobnak is the only pitcher on this list (other than Gibson) that would give the Twins a platoon advantage.

    While Randy Dobnak isn’t a pitcher who will strike fear into the hearts either the Astros or Yankees lineups, he does have the ability to be effective in a turn or two through either one of those lineups. Dobnak has been a professional pitcher since 2017, and in that time, he has posted a career 2.57 ERA in the minor leagues, and a 2.01 ERA in 22 1/3 innings pitched at the major league level. His performance this year led him to being named the Twins Daily Minor League Pitcher of the Year. Another thing that Dobnak does well is suppress fly balls. In his brief time with the Twins in 2019, Dobnak’s has a flyball rate of 18.1 percent, which is the seventh lowest of the 525 MLB pitchers who have thrown at least 20 innings this season. For the season as a whole, Dobnak has allowed a fly ball rate of just 22.7 percent in his 157 2/3 combined innings between the minor and major leagues. This ability of Dobnak’s to prevent opposing hitters from hitting fly balls could be of upmost importance, especially if game two of the ALDS takes place in Yankees Stadium.

    At the end of the day, the Twins playoff hopes could very well rest on the shoulders of Jose Berrios and Jake Odorizzi. Unfortunately, those two can’t start every game for the Twins, so they will need to get creative to find the best way to get outs effectively in the games where they are not on the mound. By splitting up these games, it will give the Twins a lot more flexibility for utilizing their bullpen, as they can take full advantage of two built-in off days throughout the course of a series.

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    I don't think we need to over-analyze this.

     

    Gibson ain't got it and Perez' early season success didn't translate. 

     

    Pineda ain't an option.

     

    Got two decent starters.

     

    MLB, using stats/analystics, are proving that a bullpen game is a spanner, something the other team can't prepare for, predict, or even prefer.

     

    Given the Yanks RH predilection, Dobnak's lack of surrendered dingers, his overall influsterable demeanor -- as in -- "Hey, I'm not supposed to be here right now, but, what the hell, as long as I am, here, hit this you big leaguing wastrel."

     

    Dobnak or bust.

     

    And keep Graterol, Thorpe, Stashak and Smeltzer at the ready, because, playing the Yankees and throwing the guys they know how to kill, hasn't been great over the last decade plus.

    You say that there wasn't anybody down in Rochester saying "Try Me" instead of Perez. I assume you mean... they weren't producing decently enough to earn the right to be tried and I get that. I disagree with Dobnak... His numbers were quite strong but I get what you are saying.

     

    However... I look at it from the completely opposite direction. :)

     

    I'm not looking at Rochester for someone to earn it. I'm saying it was the production from Perez saying "We should try" somebody else. :)

     

    Perez wasn't earning it and Perez had to be addressed somehow, someway because the offense was going to bring this team to the playoffs.

    The FO saw something they didn’t like from Dobnak. He wasn’t moved up to AAA until about Memorial Day and after just 4 appearances in AAA was sent back down until a week before the trade deadline. After 3 good starts in AAA, he came up to the MLB level.

     

    I suppose only Falvine knows why Dobnak was sent down to AA in mid June. Maybe if he stays up, he gets promoted sooner. But I don’t see who else they could have tried that they didn’t. Should they have traded for a starter? I felt pretty strongly that they should have. But they didn’t.

     

    The FO saw something they didn’t like from Dobnak. He wasn’t moved up to AAA until about Memorial Day and after just 4 appearances in AAA was sent back down until a week before the trade deadline. After 3 good starts in AAA, he came up to the MLB level.

    I suppose only Falvine knows why Dobnak was sent down to AA in mid June. Maybe if he stays up, he gets promoted sooner. But I don’t see who else they could have tried that they didn’t. Should they have traded for a starter? I felt pretty strongly that they should have. But they didn’t.

     

    The front office obviously had opinions that led to how things transpired. I think they liked Martin Perez's stuff and I'm sure they liked what Perez was doing in April and May and were working like mad to get him back to where he was then. 

     

    I won't pretend to know who they should have tried. But, the front office needs to find someone to try. That is their job. Nobody gets through the season with just 5 starters... nobody. 

     

    I made the same argument last year with Logan Morrison playing every day and I make the same argument this year with Martin Perez.

     

    Martin Perez is not producing at an acceptable level... Logan Morrison wasn't producing at an acceptable level. They are both producing very low bars to clear. Don't let sub par play stop you from seeing if someone can clear that very low bar. I don't care if the player is a top ranked prospect, unranked prospect or a AAAA Waiver claim. You have to go to the next man up. Because if anyone can clear that very low bar. You have improved your baseball team even if it is incremental. 

     

    I don't blame the front office for not requiring a starter at the deadline. The prices must have been too high and they have a long term plan in place to consider...

     

    However, the very second that they didn't overpay to acquire a starter.

     

    They were committed to having enough to get the job done in house. This has been a playoff team since April. 

     

    5 starters with Perez on a 11 start bad streak at the deadline was not going to be enough... Once a starter wasn't acquired, this is when they got to find whoever the in-house option is... instead of waiting for the wheels to come off on the eve of the playoffs to take a guess on Dobnak.  :)

     

    But, I'll say again... I am over the moon happy with the front office. We've made significant strides forward and I'm just asking them to take the same approach with the pitching staff as they are with the offense this year.

     

    The same approach that allowed Arraez to continue his good play and get a real chance to beat out an 8 million dollar free agent in Schoop who really isn't performing that badly. 

     

    Dobnak wasn't given a chance to be better than Perez... Now Perez is our 3rd starter and we are sitting here saying we'd rather use Dobnak in game two.

     

    I know I don't want Perez, we have enough information to make that call... Meanwhile, the club has gone out of its way to tell me through usage that it doesn't totally trust Dobnak.  :)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    I know I don't want Perez, we have enough information to make that call... Meanwhile, the club has gone out of its way to tell me through usage that it doesn't totally trust Dobnak.  :)

    I don't want Perez either, but when I combed through our 40-man, he wound up as the 12th man I added to my playoff pitching staff anyway, for severe lack of competent alternatives. The front office tried 30 pitchers over the course of the season, so I don't think some diamond was left in the minor league sand, untried

     

    The FO saw something they didn’t like from Dobnak. He wasn’t moved up to AAA until about Memorial Day and after just 4 appearances in AAA was sent back down until a week before the trade deadline. After 3 good starts in AAA, he came up to the MLB level.

    I suppose only Falvine knows why Dobnak was sent down to AA in mid June. Maybe if he stays up, he gets promoted sooner. But I don’t see who else they could have tried that they didn’t. Should they have traded for a starter? I felt pretty strongly that they should have. But they didn’t.

    I sawa virtually every Red Wing game. We too were surprised they would send Dobnak down after a great outing...but apparently they wanted to give the starters ahead of him the chance to make their case....guys like Chase DeJong...who was so bad even the batdog covered his eyes. Rochesters overall pitching staff was so horrible this year, everyone seemed to be auditioning. As soon as someone put together a couple decent outings....up they went. Twins now have the best we had...and also a few of the worst too (Hildenberger, Romero)

     

    Dobnak is a great story. I hope they use him and he is successful. For the Twins to beat NY, they will have to win a football-like game. Twins success against NY is like the Buffalo Bills chances against the Patriots. Perhaps one day though........

    I don't want Perez either, but when I combed through our 40-man, he wound up as the 12th man I added to my playoff pitching staff anyway, for severe lack of competent alternatives. The front office tried 30 pitchers over the course of the season, so I don't think some diamond was left in the minor league sand, untried

    You may be right.

     

    However... the only thing that we can agree on is that Perez isn’t good enough. We got that data.

     

    Now we got people who want to reach into the Dobnak raffle drum as an alternative to Perez based on either his 20 innings or lack of faith in Perez and Gibson.

     

    And if you think 20 innings is sufficient to count him among the 30 pitchers they tried. Then Dobnak should be our number one starter with his under 2.00 ERA. He won!!!

    No offense to Gibson. The guy is gutsy, and not a quitter. But he needs to focus on his health. The team needs to.

     

    Perez......I got nothing. I have zero faith this guy can be marginally effective against a real playoff team. There is zero margin for error when dealing with a team like the Yankees in the postseason.

     

    Give me the unknown in this case, because that’s how the great baseball tales truly start.

     

    By having Jose Berrios go game one, and Jake Odorizzi go in game three, the Twins can focus games two and four (if necessary) around getting all 27 outs from the bullpen.

     

     

    So, this brings up the still lingering question: Why is Randy Dobnak the guy I think the Twins should turn to in game two of the ALDS, as opposed to guys like Kyle Gibson, Martin Perez, Lewis Thorpe or Devin Smeltzer? The answer is simply this, I believe he has the best chance to give the Twins three or four effective innings before Rocco needs to turn the chains loose on the rest of the bullpen.

     

    Dobnak for 3 or 4 innings to kick off a bullpen game may not be all that different from an Odorizzi start. Odo averages 5.1 innings per start this season. (Not a knock on Odo, as that's the league average for SP now too.)

     

    I get that groundballer Dobnak sounds like a better fit for Yankee Stadium than flyballer Odorizzi, but at a single game level, things really aren't that predictable. Odo pitched a gem in Yankee Stadium for a win back in April (admittedly without Judge), and then got roughed up at Target Field vs the Yankees in July (with Judge back but with Sanchez out). I don't know if we want to get too cute with our planning based on these factors.

     

    The prospect of Dobnak/Perez going back-to-back in games 3 and 4 and taxing the pen is perhaps something to avoid, but then again -- isn't that why you have a 12 man staff? And those two games are buffered from the rest of the series by scheduled off days (weather permitting*).

     

    * A weather postponement in game 3 or 4 could erase the off day after game 4. And actually, such a postponement would allow the game 1 starter to throw game 4 on normal rest, as well as the game 2 starter throwing in game 5 on normal rest. Perhaps not likely, but another benefit of throwing your best SPs first.

    FWIW, the Yankees are lining up their rotation as follows:

     

    1. Paxton

    2. Severino

    3. Tanaka

    4. opener (Green) / Happ

     

    It was long suspected that Severino would be limited as a starter, but he's thrown 67 and 80 pitches his his two starts so far, covering 4 and 5 innings respectively, with one start remaining. He may be deployed as something close to a traditional starter yet.

     

    Of course, it would be ideal to jump on him like we did in the 2017 wild card game and render his pitch count moot. :)

     

    No offense to Gibson. The guy is gutsy, and not a quitter. But he needs to focus on his health. The team needs to.

    Perez......I got nothing. I have zero faith this guy can be marginally effective against a real playoff team. There is zero margin for error when dealing with a team like the Yankees in the postseason.

    Give me the unknown in this case, because that’s how the great baseball tales truly start.

     

    I gotta be honest, i think the Twins are crazy if they start Perez in a playoff game against the Yankees or Astros. He will get destroyed in a heartbeat.

    Edited by laloesch

     

    I agree with Riverbrian. The question really isn’t “should Randy Dobnak start in the playoffs?” It’s “do we trust Gibson or Perez enough to start in the playoffs?” I think that we all know the answer to that question is a resounding “NO WAY!!!” So, Rocco has two choices: 1) go with seniority and give one of the two boys a chance, with a short leash, or 2) go in a different direction with The Dobber or Smeltzer.

    How Rocco answers that question will tell us how committed he is to stats and new methods.

     

    I disagree. I think it should be a resounding "HELL YEAH" in favor of Dobnak starting over Gibson and Perez. I've seen too many BAD starts from Gibson and Perez since the all-star break to think otherwise. If it was up to me i'd be willing to make that gamble.

    If the situation were a bit more normal (no colitis for Gibson, no suspension for Pineda), then there would be no Perez vs. Dobnak debate. Unfortunately, here we are, with just two good starters, headed into a playoff series against the Yankee lumber company. 

     

    Now, Riverbrian tossed out as a joke that with Dobnak's 2.0 ERA, all of 20 innings, maybe he should start Game 1 vs the Yankees. If we look at HOW Dobnak got his very low ERA, that idea doesn't look quite so silly. Randy Dobnak is never going to pitch pretty, like Cole Hammels. Dobnak looks like he sneaked onto the field straight from a pre-game tailgate party, stole a uniform, then talked his way onto the mound. The only thing missing is a mustard stain on his chin. 

     

    But then when you watch Dobnak pitch... Compact delivery. Good mechanics. Consistent release point. On balance. Good rhythm. Attacks the strike zone. Hard to read his pitches. Bulldog tenacity. No apparent fear. Good movement. Avoids the middle. Good hop on the heater. I have a feeling that this guy is just plain a major league pitcher. He belongs here, at the top level of competition. Randy Dobnak could be the All American mutant mutt that Bill Murray hails in Stripes. He don't look like much, but the man gets it done. 

     

    Around this time a year from now, I don't think people will be wondering if Dobnak can pitch in a playoff game. I bet a million dollars of Pohlad money that he'll be just fine out there against the Yankees. Go get 'em, Randy!




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