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    Potential Suitors for Brian Dozier


    Andrew Thares

    With the trade deadline just three weeks away, and all signs pointing towards the Twins being sellers at the deadline, contending teams are starting to take stock of what the Twins have to offer. Despite being in a down year (relative to his normal production) and on an expiring contract, Dozier remains one of the top players the Twins have to offer at the deadline.

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    I get that there is still somewhat of an ongoing debate about whether or not it is the best decision for the Twins to move Dozier at the deadline or wait until this winter and give him a qualifying offer. While I agree that both sides of the debate are still up for discussion that is not the point of this article. Instead, we will be looking into which teams have the most to gain by adding Brian Dozier to their roster before the deadline to try and assess what kind of value Dozier might have.

    Boston Red Sox

    For the past decade, the Boston Red Sox have been a team with very little concern about second base with Dustin Pedroia manning the position. However, with the combination of age and injury, question marks have started to arise for the Red Sox at second. Pedroia has played just three games all season and is currently on the disabled-list with no clear timetable for his return.

    With Pedroia out, the Red Sox have used a combination of Eduardo Nunez and Brock Holt at second. Nunez is coming off a couple of okay years in 2016 and 2017 (combined 5.1 fWAR), but has been absolutely dreadful this season to the tune of a -0.4 fWAR. On the other hand, Holt has been a better option for the Red Sox at second, but his best attribute to the team is as a utility man so he isn’t exactly their full-time answer for second base.

    With Dozier on the team, he provides an immediate upgrade over Nunez. He also brings a lot more upside than does Holt, who has just a career 4.3 fWAR spread across seven Major League seasons.

    Los Angeles Dodgers

    If there is a contending team that would see the biggest upgrade at the second base position by adding Brian Dozier, it is the Los Angeles Dodgers. A couple of years ago the Dodgers were linked as the team with the most interest in trading for Brian Dozier, but those talks inevitably feel through as the Dodgers decided to go for Logan Forsythe instead.

    That move hasn’t panned out too well for them, as Forsythe had an okay season last year, but has been terrible in Dodger blue this year with a .202/.260/.301 slash line to go along with just two home runs, good for a 54 wRC+ (100 being league average). The other main option for the Dodgers at second base has been an aging Chase Utley. Much like Forsythe, Utley has had a down year at the plate with an OPS of .621 and a wRC+ of 71.

    Combined the Dodgers have received -0.6 fWAR at the second base position in 2018, which ranks 28th in all of baseball. By comparison, Brian Dozier has been worth 1.0 fWAR this season and is on pace for a league average season despite how poorly it seems like he has played. That alone would be a big upgrade for the Dodgers.

    Milwaukee Brewers

    Another contending team that could use an upgrade at second base is the Milwaukee Brewers. The Brewers improved on an 86-win team from a year ago with the additions of Lornezo Cain and Christian Yelich, along with the breakout performances from Josh Hader and Jesus Aguilar. However, one area where the Brewers could use some help is in the middle-infield.

    Coming off a strong season in 2016, Jonathan Villar has been nothing but a disappointment over the last two years. This year Villar is hitting .265/.312/.388 with six home runs. He also has just 13 stolen bases this year, so the additional production he has brought on the base paths has been limited.

    The Brewers have also tried out Hernan Perez and the recently DFA’d Eric Sogard at second base, but neither has given them much production. With the Brewers squarely in the middle of a divisional race with the Chicago Cubs, they will almost certainly be looking to upgrade one of their weakest areas on the team.

    San Francisco Giants

    The Giants made a statement this winter that they wanted to compete in 2018 with the additions of Andrew McCutchen and Evan Longoria. Even though things havenot gone exactly as planned with their pitching staff, the Giants find themselves at 48-45 and just three games out in the NL West and four games back of the second NL Wild Card position.

    Joe Panik has served as the team’s second baseman since their World Series run in 2014 but has dealt with some injuries this year. Panik missed all of May after having surgery on his left thumb and was just placed back on the DL on Saturday with a groin injury. Even when Panik has been healthy, he has struggled his way to a .654 OPS.

    With an organization that clearly has a mind set on winning now, and a team that is very much in the hunt, it would not be a surprise if the Giants look for a short-term answer at second base as they try to continue their push back into the postseason.

    Other Available Second Basemen

    Now that we have established that there will be a market for second basemen at the trade deadline, the other thing to consider is what other second basemen are available for teams to choose from. Unfortunately for the Twins, the list of seemingly available second basemen is pretty strong.

    Scooter Gennett – The Cincinnati Reds second basemen has been one of the better players at that position in major league baseball over the past couple of seasons. So far this year Scooter Genett has a .322/.366/.509 slash line with 14 home runs, and ranks fifth among all second basemen with a 2.9 fWAR. Gennett is under control through 2019, but with the Reds being unlikely to compete next season they should be looking to move him now to maximize his value.

    Jed Lowrie – The A’s have exceeded many people’s expectations this year, and a big part of that has been the play from Jed Lowrie, whose 3.3 fWAR ranks second among all MLB second basemen. The A’s have gotten hot of late and pulled within six games of the Mariners for the second AL Wild Card spot. If the A’s can stay hot over the next few weeks that will be great news for the Twins as they will look to be buyers instead of sellers at the deadline, thus taking Lowrie off the market.

    Starlin Castro – Another second baseman who could be on the move by the end of this month is Starlin Castro. If nothing else, the salary conscious Marlins will be looking to get his contract off their books. Despite being in his eighth MLB season, Castro still is only 28 and under control for $11 million in 2019 with a team option of $16 million in 2020 ($1 million buyout). For every team except the Marlins this is a pretty affordable contract for a player who is still producing at a quality level.

    Given these circumstances, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have to wait until right up before the deadline before Brian Dozier is traded away (if he does get traded). I think buying teams will be waiting to see what happens with Scooter Gennett and Jed Lowrie before they make a move on Brian Dozier. I also think the Twins might hold off on Dozier as long as they can, hoping he might get on one of his patented hot streaks and increase his trade value before the deadline.

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    Do you really think it is likely Pohlad approves adding payroll?

     

    Well he approved a record payroll this year and then they saved 8M by dumping Hughes for a draft pick. 

     

    That move would look a heck of a lot better if it was cancelled out by doing something similar.

    Gibson, Rodney, ok prospect? that might get it done.....or, you know, take back one of their terrible contracts......and reduce the MN cost....

    As far as bad contracts, I'd take Bryan Shaw off their hands. His stats are terrible this year but he was an iron man for Cleveland...

     

    Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t that a past in which he was throwing a lot more sinkers than he is now?

    Right now Gibson has the lowest GB/FB ratio of his career and the lowest GO/AO since his rookie year. Unless he can flip the switch back, he doesn’t seem primed for success in Coor’s.

     

    He's not actually throwing less sinkers, he's just throwing them less with 2 strikes and less often to left-handed batters.

     

    Well, clearly I agree....but they sent him down, so they must not think he's helping them right now.

     

    Yeah, I just don't think there's anyway they look at it and come to the conclusion Gibson would be much more valuable to a playoff push than Gray.  I think any playoff hopes they have likely center around Gray figuring something out soon and rejoining the rotation later this month. 

     

    Yeah, I just don't think there's anyway they look at it and come to the conclusion Gibson would be much more valuable to a playoff push than Gray.  I think any playoff hopes they have likely center around Gray figuring something out soon and rejoining the rotation later this month. 

     

    It could be, but like a lot of former top prospects he kind of looks like a guy where the home team is starting to view greener pastures. His career trajectory now in his fourth season actually looks a lot like Kyle Gibson at the same point:

     

    1st year - Struggle

    2nd year - Struggle

    3rd year - Yay he turned the corner!

    4th year - Nope I guess not

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    5th year - Let's trade him for a washed up Troy Tulowitzki

     

    Fans from outside of the organization probably still place more value on his former prospect status and draft position while those who watch the Rockies are likely more frustrated by the inconsistency. And it's not like he ever dominated the minors either.

     

     

     

    Fans from outside of the organization probably still place more value on his former prospect status and draft position while those who watch the Rockies are likely more frustrated by the inconsistency.

     

    I would look at this nearly the opposite way. The organization (which is what matters, not the fans) has a lot invested in Gray, and probably values him even higher than other organizations do. I don't understand why they would be willing to trade him for someone who comes with less team control and is not a clear upgrade

    If Gray is available they will get a better return than those offered here. His peripherals are solid this year so I think the Rockies will have him back up soon. Sending players down around the break is not unusual.

     

    I will join in the dream of acquiring Gray for expiring contracts though. I am sure other teams are inquiring about what it would take to pry away Gray. The Twins should be inquiring.

     

    I would look at this nearly the opposite way. The organization (which is what matters, not the fans) has a lot invested in Gray, and probably values him even higher than other organizations do. I don't understand why they would be willing to trade him for someone who comes with less team control and is not a clear upgrade

     

    I don't know how Gibson wouldn't be considered a clear upgrade. If the Twins were in a pennant race no one here would swap out Gibson for Gray.

     

    If the Twins decided today to dump Kohl Stewart or if the team had decided to not pick up Gibson's 2017 option it would/would have been met by Twins fans with a collective yawn, meanwhile fans of the other 29 teams would all be begging for their team to pick up the former prospect sure that their team could fix him.

     

    As for the organization's point of view, it has to be as clear to them as it does everyone else that Jon Gray's repertoire is just an awful fit for Colorado. His stuff isn't made to induce groundballs but that's what they've been trying to do, mostly in vain.

     

     

     

    I don't know how Gibson wouldn't be considered a clear upgrade. If the Twins were in a pennant race no one here would swap out Gibson for Gray.

     

    If the Twins decided today to dump Kohl Stewart or if the team had decided to not pick up Gibson's 2017 option it would/would have been met by Twins fans with a collective yawn, meanwhile fans of the other 29 teams would all be begging for their team to pick up the former prospect sure that their team could fix him.

     

    As for the organization's point of view, it has to be as clear to them as it does everyone else that Jon Gray's repertoire is just an awful fit for Colorado. His stuff isn't made to induce groundballs but that's what they've been trying to do, mostly in vain.

     

    - If the playoff game was tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start Gray over Gibson. If it was in 3 months I would certainly think long and hard about it. Gray has been a better pitcher throughout their careers, especially when you adjust for park. It's not even that close. 

     

    - Fans don't matter. What we do, say and think has no bearing on how teams operate their roster. 

     

    - Since the start of 2017.  Jon Gray's GB% = 47.5%.  Kyle Gibson's GB% = 49.7%. Jon Gray K%/BB% = 26.5%/6.8%. Gibson's = 19.7%/10.5%. What exactly makes Gray a bad fit for Coors yet Gibson a good one?

    Edited by alarp33

     

    - If the playoff game was tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start Gray over Gibson. If it was in 3 months I would certainly think long and hard about it. Gray has been a better pitcher throughout their careers, especially when you adjust for park. It's not even that close. 

     

    - Fans don't matter. What we do, say and think has no bearing on how teams operate their roster. 

     

    - Since the start of 2017.  Jon Gray's GB% = 47.5%.  Kyle Gibson's GB% = 49.7%. Jon Gray K%/BB% = 26.5%/6.8%. Gibson's = 19.7%/10.5%. What exactly makes Gray a bad fit for Coors yet Gibson a good one?

     

    you'd have to ask teh team, in the middle of a playoff race, that sent Gray down that question.....

     

    - If the playoff game was tomorrow, I probably wouldn't start Gray over Gibson. If it was in 3 months I would certainly think long and hard about it. Gray has been a better pitcher throughout their careers, especially when you adjust for park. It's not even that close. 

     

    - Fans don't matter. What we do, say and think has no bearing on how teams operate their roster. 

     

    - Since the start of 2017.  Jon Gray's GB% = 47.5%.  Kyle Gibson's GB% = 49.7%. Jon Gray K%/BB% = 26.5%/6.8%. Gibson's = 19.7%/10.5%. What exactly makes Gray a bad fit for Coors yet Gibson a good one?

     

    Gray is a bad fit because four-seamers aren't naturally supposed to create groundballs but he is or the team is making him throw them almost exclusively low in the zone surely in an attempt to limit HR. They've been getting crushed with an ISO on his four-seamer of .234 this year, likely because the pitch location is so predictable.

     

    He's pitching like a sinkerballer without a sinkerball.

     

    Gray is a bad fit because four-seamers aren't naturally supposed to create groundballs but he is or the team is making him throw them almost exclusively low in the zone surely in an attempt to limit HR. They've been getting crushed with an ISO on his four-seamer of .234 this year, likely because the pitch location is so predictable.

     

    He's pitching like a sinkerballer without a sinkerball.

     

    4 seam fastballs get crushed because they miss middle up, which is what Gray's biggest problem has been (command), not because they consistently stay low in the zone

     

    Edited by alarp33

     

    I never said the negotiation hinged on those splits.  It was only an example of ways Dozier's value can be further deflated.  As I said in the last post, there wasn't a market for him last year.  There isn't much of a market this year and he now only a two month rental.

     

    I guess we can sell the "Dozier gets hot in the second half angle" but then that is only lip service.  What team is going to part with anything much by pinning their hopes on that?

     

    A team that wants to win a title and thinks that they are just a 2B who plays solid defense and could give you 20+ homers away from winning it?

     

    how so? I mean, I'd rather get fifty cents than nothing.....

    Well, that's not exactly true. Getting a minor league player who has basically reached his potential is worse than nothing because the player simply becomes someone who takes up a position...

    Edited by Aerodeliria

    I would be mildly surprised if the Twins don't get someone mildly interesting for Dozier. There is zero risk in signing him right before he hits free agency, and potentially a lot of reward for one year. And he's cheap.

    No doubt we will be surprised. Sadly I doubt it will be pleasantly.

    A couple unexpected suitors for the Doze

     

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/indians-giants-showing-interest-in-brian-dozier.html

     

    Judging by the returns for Escobar and Pressly I'll suggest from the Giants:

     

    Either/Iether/both

     

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    As for the other team...well...let's just say I hope that doesn't happen

     

    EDIT: might consider the Taiwanese Yu-Tang-Clan dude

    Edited by tvagle

    Cleveland has a nice system, and it never hurts to pillage from it for 2 months of Dozier... That said, the guy that fits our need is Mejia, but that would be an overpay on Cleveland's part. I woudln't mind Shane Bieber or Bobby Bradley either.

     

    The Giants system seems a bit weaker, though a few names woudl be good returns. Chris Shaw would fit into the teams' needs. Aramis Garcia might fit there too.

     

    Cleveland has a nice system, and it never hurts to pillage from it for 2 months of Dozier... That said, the guy that fits our need is Mejia, but that would be an overpay on Cleveland's part. I woudln't mind Shane Bieber or Bobby Bradley either.

     

    The Giants system seems a bit weaker, though a few names woudl be good returns. Chris Shaw would fit into the teams' needs. Aramis Garcia might fit there too.

     

    If they trade with the Giants I would try and get Santos or Corry.  Both young pitchers with upside.

     

    From Cleveland I would take Oviedo or maybe Nick Sandlin and something extra added.

     

    I would try and stick with young pitching that has upside.  It shouldn't hurt teams too much to those types of players up because they are further away and because they are further away you can maximize the value you receive in trade.

     

    Cleveland has a nice system, and it never hurts to pillage from it for 2 months of Dozier... That said, the guy that fits our need is Mejia, but that would be an overpay on Cleveland's part. I woudln't mind Shane Bieber or Bobby Bradley either.

     

    The Giants system seems a bit weaker, though a few names woudl be good returns. Chris Shaw would fit into the teams' needs. Aramis Garcia might fit there too.

     

    ?

     

    CLE already traded Mejia.....unless they have another one.

     

    If they trade with the Giants I would try and get Santos or Corry.  Both young pitchers with upside.

     

    From Cleveland I would take Oviedo or maybe Nick Sandlin and something extra added.

     

    I would try and stick with young pitching that has upside.  It shouldn't hurt teams too much to those types of players up because they are further away and because they are further away you can maximize the value you receive in trade.

     

    Those aren't bad gets either, but with all the young upside pitching we have right now, there's a real 40 man issue here, unless these guys don't need to go on the 40 man any time soon. The team needs an ML ready C as well as a 1B/3B/DH type.  I'd probably go for a hitter here unless Cleveland is dangling someone with ace potential at us (and I don't think they would). 

    YES, we actually are in agreement here.

     

    Remember the Dozier thread last year? Seems hardly worth it to have a reprisal of what happened there. I would be interested to know what kind of prospect we'd get. I actually agree with beckmt. Hard to imagine doing much better than the QO. THat isn't what I want the Twins to do because I feel Dozier has to be moved at this point. He is not a fit here

    Just a question, a qualifying offer is for 1 year if I'm correct, who is a better fit at 2nd base for the Twins next year?? Someone who hasn't even played there yet?




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