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    Twins Roster Projection 2017: Version 3.0


    Seth Stohs
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    The Twins are less than two weeks from packing up from Ft. Myers and heading north to open the 2017 season. There are currently 48 players on the Twins spring roster which means they have a lot of decisions and transactions to make in the next week to ten days. As I am leaving Ft. Myers, I’m going to try to piece together a projection for the Twins opening day roster. Opinions are mine and certainly subject to change in the coming days.

    So here is my third attempt at projecting the Twins Opening Day roster… I encourage you to read my thoughts, develop your own and then post your thoughts and projections in the comments below.

    THE HITTERS

    Catchers (2): Jason Castro, Chris Gimenez

    Jason Castro will be the primary catcher. He will likely catch 110-120 games, so the question will be who can start behind the plate in the other 40-50 games.

    Mitch Garver didn’t get much opportunity again this spring, but the manager likes his game. He was sent down on Saturday, his first option. Murphy hasn’t actually played much either. He’s got one option year remaining. Gimenez feels like the leading candidate to be the backup catcher. Veteran leadership plays into that. His ability to play a couple other positions helps.

    Infielders (5): Joe Mauer, Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, Jorge Polanco, Eduardo Escobar

    The starting infield is set. Joe Mauer will start most often at first, with Brian Dozier Jorge Polanco and Miguel Sano also starting. None of those are at all surprising. Jorge Polanco’s defense, at least from my opinion, seems to have improved so far this spring, and really in the last three weeks or so. The throws have been more consistently solid.

    Escobar is competing with the likes of Ehire Adrianza, Tommy Field and Bengie Gonzalez for the primary utility infield job, but he would certainly still be the favorite. Adrianza is, however, out of options, and Field is not on the 40-man roster. Could the Twins have a second utility infielder?

    Still in the game: Ehire Adrianza, Tommy Field, Matt Hague, Bengie Gonzalez

    Outfielders (5): Eddie Rosario, Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Robbie Grossman, Danny Santana

    Like the infield, the starting outfield is also pretty well set. Rosario has been starring for Puerto Rico in the WBC. Buxton and Kepler are parts of the next core of Twins players and will get every opportunity this year.

    So, the question really becomes the fourth outfielder. I will contend and assume that Grossman will be on the roster, and he has played a lot of outfield this spring, especially with Rosario gone.

    And yes, I fully expect Danny Santana to make the Opening Day roster. He is getting a lot of playing time and making starts all around the diamond. Many readers (or at least many of those who choose to comment) aren’t big Santana fans. At the same time, he can hit a little, and he can play adequate defense at six positions. That is kind of the definition of a 25th man.

    Still in the game: Drew Stubbs, JB Shuck

    Designated Hitter (1): Kennys Vargas

    I haven’t had the DH position on its own in the past, but I think it’s worth its own discussion. Kennys Vargas has been the favorite, but he went to the WBC and hasn’t played much. The Twins did get the fourth year option for him, so it’s entirely possible he starts in Rochester. Byungho Park is no longer on the 40-man roster, but he came to spring training healthy and he has hit well this spring. He has a much better walk-to-strikeout rate and looks more comfortable.

    And, I wouldn't be opposed to a scenario in which Robbie Grossman is the primary DH. You could keep an extra outfielder around, and you can get DH at-bats for Mauer, Sano and even Dozier or other guys in need of a game off from the field. In that scenario, any one of the extra infielders or outfielders would be added.

    I still think Vargas remains the favorite, but he’ll likely have to show something in the two final weeks of spring training.

    Still in contention: Byungho Park, Matt Hague, Ben Paulsen

    POSSIBLE LINEUPS

    Primary lineup versus RHP: Byron Buxton CF, Joe Mauer 1B, Brian Dozier 2B, Miguel Sano 3B, Max Kepler RF, Kennys Vargas DH, Eddie Rosario LF, Jason Castro C, Jorge Polanco SS

    Versus LHP: Byron Buxton CF, Robbie Grossman LF, Brian Dozier 2B, Miguel Sano DH, Kennys Vargas 1B, Max Kepler RF, Eduardo Escobar 3B, Chris Gimenez C, Jorge Polanco SS.

    Byron Buxton, Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, Max Kepler and Jorge Polanco are the guys I want in the lineup almost every day. Kennys Vargas is in both lineups, but I would use the DH spot to also give “half days off” to guys like Dozier and Mauer and Grossman as well.

    THE PITCHERS

    Starting Pitchers (5): Ervin Santana, Phil Hughes, Kyle Gibson, Hector Santiago, Jose Berrios

    The first four will be in the starting rotation on Opening Day. We’ve known that for months. The question remains, who will be the fifth starter. Ten days ago, the answer “Trevor May” was becoming much more likely as he was pitching well. Unfortunately, May has a torn UCL and will miss the 2017 season.

    I still think that Jose Berrios maintains a slight lead for the fifth starter job. He had a solid performance in his first WBC start, and he could be the starter for Team Puerto Rico in the championship game, if they get there.

    Still in contention: Tyler Duffey, Justin Haley, Ryan Vogelsong, and Adalberto Mejia.

    Tyler Duffey has made starts the last couple of years. He was terrific in 2015, and he really struggled in 2016. His two-pitch mix would likely play better in the bullpen. Justin Haley struggle again on Sunday, giving up four runs in just two innings. As a Rule 5 pick, much more goes into the decision of whether or not to keep him on the roster than just his performance on the mound. Ryan Vogelsong made a start this week and topped out at 88 but many are impressed with his veteran-ness. Adalberto Mejia’s start this week was very impressive, striking out 11 batters in just 3.2 innings. He’s the “prospect” of this group and has some really good stuff. He’s close.

    Bullpen (7): Brandon Kintzler, Ryan Pressly, Matt Belisle, JT Chargois, Taylor Rogers, Craig Breslow, Tyler Duffey.

    Brandon Kintzler will go into the season as the closer. Matt Belisle and Ryan Pressly will certainly be set up men. Taylor Rogers has secured one of the left-handed bullpen spots.

    With Mike Berardino’s reports that Craig Breslow is likely to be added to the 40-man roster early this week, it also appears that the second left-hander job has been determined.

    As I’ve written many times before, JT Chargois should never spend another day in the minor leagues, but I don’t think he’s a given yet. He needs to find a way to improve his efficiency and be more consistent.

    So there are six spots taken for a seven-person bullpen. That means there is just one more spot, and there are a lot of options.

    So my prediction for today is that Tyler Duffey will be the seventh reliever. His inability to add a third pitch has continued, and his fastball/breaking ball combination could be elite working an inning or two at a time. Also, with the other six, there really isn’t a guy who can go more than two innings. Duffey could do that when needed.

    Others in Contention: Michael Tonkin, Justin Haley, Ryan Vogelsong, Ryan O’Rourke, Buddy Boshers.

    We’ll see how the final roster cuts come. Some are still quite clear, while others could become really, really interesting over the next ten days.

    What are your thoughts? What does your roster look like?


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    I think it would be ok if they lost Tonkin. They have about 100 RPs in AA and AAA that are about as good or better. Even at his best, imo, he's a decent RP, not a great one.

     

    I am beginning to get hopeful that Vogelsgang is not on the roster. 

     

    Agreed. Tonkin is not someone to worry about potentially losing. If you walked into a bar mid-conversation and overheard "He's a decent, not great reliever who throws hard," about 10 names on the Twins could come to mind.

    At some point, they just need to trim the fat from this huge group of middle relievers.  

    I don't think it is appealing to "luck" to use to fWAR in this case. Santiago has benefitted in the last three seasons from pitching in one of the best pitching parks in all of baseball (definitely top-5) and in front of one of the best defenses in all of baseball (4th by UZR from 2014-2016). Gibson has not had those same benefits, particularly in the case of defense where the Twins have been terrible (2nd worst by UZR in the same timeframe). There is an ERA gap between Santiago and Gibson, but it isn't huge.

    KG HS

    2014 4.47 3.75

    2015 3.84 3.59

    2016 5.07 4.70

    It works out to only 5-10 runs a season. Personally, I think the defensive and stadium differences are more than enough to explain Santiago's ERA advantage. Even bWAR has Gibson ahead over the past 3 seasons, 5.8 bWAR to 3.2 bWAR, because it recognizes that Gibson has faced harder opponents, in worse ballparks, and with worse defenses behind him.

    Santiago also had acceptable results with the White Sox.

     

    I'm not arguing whether Santiago is a good pitcher, only that he's not terribly different than Gibson.

     

    And, yes, Santiago is a flyball guy, which is a good thing on the 2017 Twins. Gibson has a lackluster infield defense behind him and also has the disadvantage of the low strike being removed this season.

     

    I'm not sure why it's so controversial to suggest that neither Gibson nor Santiago are particularly good pitchers and are largely interchangeable.

     

    edit: did the strike zone change actually happen or was it only proposed?

     

    As long as Grossman is healthy, we have our 4 OF.

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think DanSan is the 25th man. I really believe it comes down to him, Adrianza and Gonzalez. Adriana has the leather but not much else. To be fair, his mile numbers aren't bad and opportunity may have eluded him previously. Monitor seems to like Gonzalez, but he could sit at AAA for now. Santana is still young and athletic and Molitor seems to like him. I know we bash him, and rightly so at times, for his "ability" to play 6 positions...but...even playing them average to not so well is still different than tossing an OF in at 2B, or a 1B/DH in to the OF. And he has hit pretty well this far. I'm hoping Goodrum becomes what we hoped Santana would be, and soon, but I think the final spot still goes to DanSan.

     

    I think the "Santana and Grossman" thing effectively makes Grossman the 5th OF and back up DH. There's no reason to get Grossman in the OF late in games, I guess he might draw the occasional start against left handed pitching?

     

    To me Santana's ability to play multiple positions and provide the best pinch running of the guys running does the trick. Not excited (and pretty sure that this time next season that role will belong to Granite) but I think it's the best call.

    Here are some roster realities. Haley is a Rule V, so he would have to be offered back to his original club if he's not on the 25-man roster. Santana, Adrianza, Grossman are all out of options. Vargas has another option remaining, as does Murphy. Park, Vogelsong, Schuck, Stubbs, Breslow (today) and Gimenez aren't on the 40-man roster and would have to be added in order to go north with the club. The 40-man is currently full, but Trevor May is a certainty to go on the 60-day DL and open a spot. The only veteran that I know of with an opt-out is Breslow, which is supposed to be resolved today (most likely added to the 40-man, with May on the 60-day DL).

    Danny Santana has had 500 AB over the last two years. Roughly one full season worth. He has a negative WAR of 3.5. He has been negative both offensively and defensively both years.

     

    So I am not following why we should be factoring in his lack of options and be worried about some other team picking him up. Wouldn't losing a negative player and another team picking him up be two good things?

    Maybe I'm adding 2 plus 2 and getting 7, but:

     

    • Park's problem last year started with trying to catch up to MLB fast balls.
    • As we hear from reports from Twins pitchers, they are not up to opening day velocities.  So, I assume this may be true for other clubs as well.
    • Maybe Park's stellar states are against these spring training (lower) velocities.

    You could be right, but Park is having a much better spring, e.g., 4 HR, 5 walks, 9 Ks in 2017, vs. 3-1-17 in 2016.

    Chris Gimenez, because giving ABs to 34 year old catcher with a career .632 OPS is a much better utilization of them than trying to get your prospect catcher some opportunity in the big leagues.  I am sure that the Twins plan to bring Mitch Garver up when he is about 30 years old.

    Danny Santana has had 500 AB over the last two years. Roughly one full season worth. He has a negative WAR of 3.5. He has been negative both offensively and defensively both years.

    So I am not following why we should be factoring in his lack of options and be worried about some other team picking him up. Wouldn't losing a negative player and another team picking him up be two good things?

    You nailed it!

    However... I think if the Twins send him to Rochester... and use up that one option right away... He's done because hat means he gets called up when someone goes on the 15 day DL and he will have a short window to prove himself with possible limited playing time and when someone returns from the DL... he will be exposed to waivers if he doesn't establish himself from the get go and that will be about the same time that other squads will be looking for a big hitter on the cheap to replace an injury or something... 

    Does the 4th option year work the same as regular options or are there special rules for it?

     

    This year will count as an option regardless of how many times he's up and down, right? So, at least in theory, we could start in Rochester, come up for injuries and go back when that time is up without being exposed to waivers.

     

    Although I'm not sure if this 4th year has special rules connected to it.

    Still think the Twins will watch the wavier wire close to the end of spring training.  One guy I am looking at is Marco Hernandez from Boston.  He may get squeezed there and I do not know his option status.  Can play most infield positions as well as left field.  Does not have the speed of DanSan, but may well be a much better fielder.  Good year last year between Pawtucket and Boston.

     

    One guy I am looking at is Marco Hernandez from Boston.  He may get squeezed there and I do not know his option status.

    Marco Hernandez has two option years remaining.  He was added to the Red Sox 40-man in Nov. 2015, so 2016 was his first option year.

     

    Here's a list of out of options guys -- it obviously includes a lot of players who have zero risk of hitting waivers this spring (Zach Britton!) but it is a good reference point:

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/out-of-options-2017.html

     

    Marco Hernandez has two option years remaining.  He was added to the Red Sox 40-man in Nov. 2015, so 2016 was his first option year.

     

    Here's a list of out of options guys -- it obviously includes a lot of players who have zero risk of hitting waivers this spring (Zach Britton!) but it is a good reference point:

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/out-of-options-2017.html

    Thanks,  My point was he has no future in the short or long term with the Sox.  Maybe the Twins should target him.

    Tonkin gone.  Please. 
    Vargas sealed his fate when he signed on with Pueto Rico and sat on the bench.  Same with Berrios.  He REALLY should have been in the Twins camp.  Last year, Park had issues with MLB pitching, which was to be expected.  He also had an injury.  Healthy again and with some MLB experience, he looks to me to be the sole DH/1st base option.  Grossman as the left-handed alternative.  

     

    Isn't it time to move on from DanSan?  He had one really good year filling in at CF.  Next year, management decided to start him at SS.  Bad management?  IDK, but as others have said, Twins need some defensive improvements.  Castro signing will prove to be a huge benefit to the pitchers.

    Hughes got knocked around facing mostly major leaguers after a three-hour bus ride. It may be a blip on the radar or it may signal he just doesn't have it after his surgery. As far as Berrios goes, even if he's sent to Rochester, he'll get his chance again in Minnesota, probably long before the All-Star game. Park/Vargas? IMHO, neither is proven, but Vargas is younger and a switch hitter and he's on the 40-man. I don't think the Twins want to give him away (or whoever would have to leave the 40-man) so that they can add Park. Santana? The Twins thought they had caught lightning in a bottle when he came up in 2014, but he hasn't flashed much of that since. The biggest problem is that he's not a good defender anywhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins kept him this spring, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was DFAed early in the season, if not by the final roster cuts.




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