3 Years Experience/Payroll All 30 teams - LH/RH starting pitcher win tracker

[Jim H]

I haven't commented on this thread for quite awhile, haven't seen much point. A few observations. Even though the Twins have a losing record against left handed starters, they averaged more runs per game against them than against right handers. I expect part of reason for that could be that the 3 best hitters during the 1st quarter of the season were right handed, Jeffers, Buxton, and Martin.

I am glad the Twins gave Lee, Keaschall, and Martin enough runway to prove they deserved consistent playing time. I appreciate the fact they did the same for Wallner and Lewis and also the fact they were demoted when they couldn't take advantage of the runway.

I don't appreciate the fact that to this point, Bell and Caratini have been as bad of investments as I was afraid they would be. They along along Lewis and Wallner are the major reasons there is little consistent production or continuity from the 3-4-5 hitters.

I appreciate the fact that all the career backups and platoon players currently on the roster play hard, take good at bats, and play most of the good defense we see from this roster. I don't appreciate the fact that nobody among our top prospects has been able to either stay healthy or play well enough to replace them.

[Riverbrian]

On 6/3/2026 at 6:55 AM, Riverbrian said:

Last Game Right Handed Starter

June 2 - Davis Martin - Won - 6 Runs Scored

Lineup Composition: 4 RH - 2 Switch - 3 LH

Season Record vs RH Starters: 21-21

Season Average Runs Scored vs RH Starters: 4.64

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Season Accumulated Stats vs Left Handed Staters

Season Record vs LH Starter: 8-12

Season Average Runs Scored vs LH Starter: 4.70

 

Last Game Right Handed Starter

June 3 - Erick Fedde - Loss - Zero Runs Scored

Lineup Composition: 4 RH 3 Switch 2 LH

Season Record vs RH Starter: 21-22

Season Average Runs Scored vs RH Starter: 4.53

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Season Accumulated Stats vs Left Handed Staters

Season Record vs LH Starter: 8-12

Season Average Runs Scored vs LH Starter: 4.70

 

[Riverbrian]

Last night was the first time the Twins were shut-out. 

It took 63 games for the first shutout.  I don't if that's impressive or not. It feels slightly impressive. 

I also think it's notable that Erick Fedde was able to lower his ERA from 5.40 to 4.96 with his 5 innings of zeros hung.

The night before... we scored 6 runs on Davis Martin and raised his ERA from 2.00 to 2.64. 

Fedde beat Bradley and Prielipp beat Martin. There are no absolutes in the game of baseball. 

 

 

[ashbury]

5 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

It took 63 games for the first shutout.  I don't if that's impressive or not. It feels slightly impressive. 

It feels misleading to me. 

1) The Rays are having a good season.  Their run-scoring is about the same as the Twins.  They've been shut out 3 times.  But they've been held to 1 run only five times.  Our Twins have been shut out just once, but they've scored 1 run ten times.  Not much difference in win probability, 0 versus 1 run.  The Rays happened to pitch a shutout one of the times I mentioned, the Twins won none of their 1-run offense games, "as expected".  Bottom line, there's not much difference in scoring a run versus not, if we're looking at shutouts only.

1a) Atlanta is right up at the top with the Nationals and Dodgers, in runs scored.  They've been shut out five times this season, and scored 1 run five other times.  Lost 'em all, "as expected."  As for the Nationals and Dodgerts, two shutouts and six 1-run games, for each of them - no wins.  Anyway, none of these offenses have demonstrated the same kind of futility as often as our Twins have.  To be "impressive", I'd want to see the Twins be on more of a par with the big boys, in avoiding the no-chance-to-win games.

2)  The eye test tells me this is just not a reliable offense.  I realize their runs per game are a titch above league average.  They racks up runs, like any team does, when the opposition is weak in some way.  But it "feels" to me like it's more of a factor with this team than average.  The eye test also tells me a lot of times they score meaningless runs to avert the shutout; that's hard to define a metric for and I certainly don't know how.  It's perplexing that now and then they'll score against top opposing pitchers, and I don't know how to separate out "good pitcher having a bad day" versus "good pitcher unable to shut our unstoppable guys down," either.

 

[Jim H]

1 hour ago, ashbury said:

It feels misleading to me. 

1) The Rays are having a good season.  Their run-scoring is about the same as the Twins.  They've been shut out 3 times.  But they've been held to 1 run only five times.  Our Twins have been shut out just once, but they've scored 1 run ten times.  Not much difference in win probability, 0 versus 1 run.  The Rays happened to pitch a shutout one of the times I mentioned, the Twins won none of their 1-run offense games, "as expected".  Bottom line, there's not much difference in scoring a run versus not, if we're looking at shutouts only.

1a) Atlanta is right up at the top with the Nationals and Dodgers, in runs scored.  They've been shut out five times this season, and scored 1 run five other times.  Lost 'em all, "as expected."  As for the Nationals and Dodgerts, two shutouts and six 1-run games, for each of them - no wins.  Anyway, none of these offenses have demonstrated the same kind of futility as often as our Twins have.  To be "impressive", I'd want to see the Twins be on more of a par with the big boys, in avoiding the no-chance-to-win games.

2)  The eye test tells me this is just not a reliable offense.  I realize their runs per game are a titch above league average.  They racks up runs, like any team does, when the opposition is weak in some way.  But it "feels" to me like it's more of a factor with this team than average.  The eye test also tells me a lot of times they score meaningless runs to avert the shutout; that's hard to define a metric for and I certainly don't know how.  It's perplexing that now and then they'll score against top opposing pitchers, and I don't know how to separate out "good pitcher having a bad day" versus "good pitcher unable to shut our unstoppable guys down," either.

 

Well written post. Your no.2 is spot on. The eye test seems to say there is no real  consistency with this team.I feel like there are too many boom or bust guys on this roster, too many platoon, guys, and not enough real hitting talent. It doesn't help that some of the guys who were expected to be at least big league everyday regulars, are not and may never be.