Did We Just Witness Jeremy Zoll Implement a Change in Roster Construction Philosophy?

[NYCTK]

1 minute ago, KirbyDome89 said:

Forcing another roster spot to carry a LF candidate while continuing to burn a roster spot hanging onto a LF candidate that isn't playable? I mean what are we talking about here....

Why would anybody complain about successful additions? 

Haha, he might've "lost," his job as far as playing time was concerned, but he stayed on the roster for the entire ****ing year while being unplayable for 5+ months! That is the definition of refusing to move on. 

The notion that the Twins couldn't find somebody else to take over the role of possibly the worst hitter in all of baseball is laughable. There's absolutely no chance the organization was hanging onto Keirsey because his production was irreplaceable. 

A lot of people here seem not to understand every contending team carries old vets that are only expected to get 2 games a week and fill in when holes open up. 

The obvious example is the Twins fans complaining about Ty France, only for Ty France to go to the Blue Jays where he made the World series roster. 

And sometimes, when you so completely misunderstand MLB rosters you fight against signings like that of Harrison Bader and you show you don't know ball. 

[NYCTK]

5 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Yes, people have things they stick to. I'm positive you are going to be bringing up Bader for years.

When you're as wrong as you were, from the moment the ink was laid down on that paper, you kind of bring it on yourself. 

You were the number 1 cheerleader against that signing, and I still don't think you really understand why you were so wrong about it. 

[KirbyDome89]

7 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

A lot of people here seem not to understand every contending team carries old vets that are only expected to get 2 games a week and fill in when holes open up. 

The obvious example is the Twins fans complaining about Ty France, only for Ty France to go to the Blue Jays where he made the World series roster. 

And sometimes, when you so completely misunderstand MLB rosters you fight against signings like that of Harrison Bader and you show you don't know ball. 

Those vets tend to be usable players, not an albatross actively dragging the lineup down, unless of course, you're the Twins. 

Dude, this one was already covered. Toronto played 18 postseason games. Ty France had 4 PAs and didn't start a single game. I mean c'mon....

Ah, we "don't know ball." Well, from my vantage point it looks like you've back yourself into a corner and the only way out is revisionist history and I guess claiming everyone else is too stupid to grasp the 4D chess that has been the Twins roster management. YMMV of course. 

[chpettit19]

11 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

When you're as wrong as you were, from the moment the ink was laid down on that paper, you kind of bring it on yourself. 

You were the number 1 cheerleader against that signing, and I still don't think you really understand why you were so wrong about it. 

Except I was right about everything outside of him having a career year offensively. You're still trying to stick to the idea that he was brought in as a 4th outfielder. Shoot, a couple comments up you suggest Gallo was an $11 million 4th outfielder/backup 1B. I was 100% right that he was brought in as an everyday OF and fully acknowledged from the jump that his defense was top notch. He figured out his offense and made it a great signing. I have no problem admitting that or taking heat for my stance that he wouldn't be good enough to fill the everyday role he was brought in for. Wasn't the first time I was wrong and won't be the last.

The difference is, even with hindsight and multiple people providing you undeniable evidence, you are continuing to be wrong about Gallo. If Bader had been signed as a 4th OFer, or France as a bench bat, I wouldn't have had any problem with either signing. I am on here all the time defending depth signings. But I will complain about every Bader and France as everyday players signing from now until I die. They are bad moves, even if some turn out surprisingly well. You're a Mets fan who liked Bader and have continued to claim he was signed as a 4th outfielder despite him saying he was signed as a starter before the season and him playing as a starter from the jump. The absolute refusal to acknowledge things even after the fact is what separates us. But, hey, you do you, my friend.

[chpettit19]

25 minutes ago, NYCTK said:

A lot of people here seem not to understand every contending team carries old vets that are only expected to get 2 games a week and fill in when holes open up. 

The obvious example is the Twins fans complaining about Ty France, only for Ty France to go to the Blue Jays where he made the World series roster. 

And sometimes, when you so completely misunderstand MLB rosters you fight against signings like that of Harrison Bader and you show you don't know ball. 

Thank you for proving our point. Teams carry those vets to play 2 games a week. The Twins sign them to start every day. Ty France was the Twins everyday 1B. He wasn't here to play twice a week and Rocco said as much in February. Harrison Bader was signed to play every day. He wasn't here to play twice a week and he said as much during the offseason. Joey Gallo wasn't signed for $11 million to play twice a week. Kody Clemens was waived by the Phillies and became an everyday starter for the Twins. The Twins are not treating these guys like contending teams treat them. That is the point. That is our complaint.

The fact that you can't see the difference says all we need to know. You are the one who has a narrative they refuse to give up despite ample undeniable evidence, including the team and players themselves stating the opposite. And despite you pointing out yourself that these types of signings aren't meant to be opening day starters. You're arguing our point back to us but somehow think we're the ones who don't understand the difference between how the Twins have built their team the last handful of years vs actual contending teams. Some of the most impressive mental gymnastics I've seen around here in a while.