Vikes @ Curly Lambeau Field 11/23

[Aggies7]

They just switched off the game to go to the eagles and cowboys, terrible rule 

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

They just switched off the game to go to the eagles and cowboys, terrible rule 

And that, again, is the national game? Sigh. I doubt my tv will go on today until we decide to give Pluribus one more chance.

[Aggies7]

Giants should go for two if they score here 

[Aggies7]

Colts really blew what would have been a HUGE win

[Mike Sixel]

Let's go Falcons and Cowboys!

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

Let's go Falcons and Cowboys!

And Cardinals (not happening).

[Aggies7]

You’ve really got to be bad this year to be in the running for a top 5 pick. I can see the Vikings finishing with 1 maybe 2 wins. I could also see them losing out. You’d have to believe 4-13 would get them a great pick but they are so many teams with even worse records. Giants have just been eliminated from playoff contention 

[Mike Sixel]

Sanders going to outgain McCarthy half way thru the 2nd quarter....maybe sooner....

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

Sanders going to outgain McCarthy half way thru the 2nd quarter....maybe sooner....

Note, I don't know if this is true.....but I'm hangry. Should likely eat. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

Note, I don't know if this is true.....but I'm hangry. Should likely eat. 

Or, in the first quarter.....

[Mike Sixel]

How do you look the rest of the team in the face, and start McCarthy next week? What can you possibly say to JJ to keep him happy at this point?

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Note, I don't know if this is true.....but I'm hangry. Should likely eat. 

Unfortunately you’re more correct than you know 

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

How do you look the rest of the team in the face, and start McCarthy next week? What can you possibly say to JJ to keep him happy at this point?

I would say benching him would shatter his confidence but you’d have to have some to begin with

[gunnarthor]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

How do you look the rest of the team in the face, and start McCarthy next week? What can you possibly say to JJ to keep him happy at this point?

What choice do they have? Brosmer? As for JJ, I think  he and KOC have a KG/Flip Saunders relationship. I don't think you'll see him go off.

 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

I would say benching him would shatter his confidence but you’d have to have some to begin with

sorry, by JJ there I meant Jefferson. How do you keep him happy at this point? 

I agree, McCarthy can't have any real confidence at this point. 

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, gunnarthor said:

What choice do they have? Brosmer? As for JJ, I think  he and KOC have a KG/Flip Saunders relationship. I don't think you'll see him go off.

 

Will he ask for a trade if this is how the year goes? He and everyone else must be looking at Jones and Darnold and wondering what could have been at this point....

Oh, great, we play SEA next week! Can't wait for that (good thing most of my friends out here aren't NFL fans). 

[Aggies7]

Maybe shedeur will be so good, the Vikings could get Dillon Gabriel for nothing next year 😂 kidding 

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

Maybe shedeur will be so good, the Vikings could get Dillon Gabriel for nothing next year 😂 kidding 

He's going to have a better game today than any McCarthy has had......but we are to believe that a guy who has been professionally coached since he was 12 just needs more time to figure out basic mechanics. 

[The Great Hambino]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

sorry, by JJ there I meant Jefferson. How do you keep him happy at this point? 

I agree, McCarthy can't have any real confidence at this point. 

At least he has a lot of fake confidence

How do they even improve the team this offseason?  I don' think they should, but they can't trade Jefferson even if they wanted to - $46MM dead cap if they do.  Negative $51MM in effective cap space per Over The Cap as things sit currently.  Trading Jefferson adds to that deficit

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

At least he has a lot of fake confidence

How do they even improve the team this offseason?  I don' think they should, but they can't trade Jefferson even if they wanted to - $60MM dead cap if they do.  Negative $51MM in effective cap space per Over The Cap as things sit currently.

They immediately improve it by bringing in a guy who can be at least mediocre at the quarterback position.  Players aren’t interested in the long term plans that some of us have. They want to go to a place where they can win, or at the very least not have negative yardage in a half of football.

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, The Great Hambino said:

At least he has a lot of fake confidence

How do they even improve the team this offseason?  I don' think they should, but they can't trade Jefferson even if they wanted to - $60MM dead cap if they do.  Negative $51MM in effective cap space per Over The Cap as things sit currently.

A great draft, clearly.

100% need to deal Addison and cut Hockenson, so there are two real holes (and both DTs they paid for this year, and maybe the C if he gets another concussion). Smith will finally resign, so there is another starter they need to replace. That's likely 4-6 starters they need to replace.....

[Mike Sixel]

It appears Carlson has forgotten how to kick this year.....

[Aggies7]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

It appears Carlson has forgotten how to kick this year.....

He was done so wrong by Zimmer, he’s had a decent career 

[Mike Sixel]

Sanders with the first of MANY interceptions to come.....

[gunnarthor]

3 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

At least he has a lot of fake confidence

How do they even improve the team this offseason?  I don' think they should, but they can't trade Jefferson even if they wanted to - $46MM dead cap if they do.  Negative $51MM in effective cap space per Over The Cap as things sit currently.  Trading Jefferson adds to that deficit

The cap thing isn't as bad as it sounds. There are several articles on that if you look. I don't think they'd trade JJ. The rest of the season is to see what they have in McCarthy. 

Also, I wrote this about KOC after the playoff loss - "I do hope we bring in another offensive mind to work with KOC and maybe even taking over play-call duties next year (maybe). I think someone from Cincy - similar offensive pieces, Buffalo - they led the league in blowout wins, which means they might be able to address how opponents get back into games, or Baltimore - Harbaugh tree. But if the only thing we get out of the last two losses is to blame it on the QB, we're not learning enough."

Things are never as bad as they look. A different voice on the offensive side might be able to improve things as well. I suspect Flores won't get a HC job again so our defense will have some more stability. But, for now, JJ needs to show real improvement. 

[Aggies7]

Eagles rolling 

[The Great Hambino]

4 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

They immediately improve it by bringing in a guy who can be at least mediocre at the quarterback position.  Players aren’t interested in the long term plans that some of us have. They want to go to a place where they can win, or at the very least not have negative yardage in a half of football.

Free agent QBs that give you something close to league average play cost money.  They can't afford one.

Their cap situation dictates that this is McCarthy's team for better or worse next year.  Drastic improvement from him is their best bet at getting better for next year.  They're going to spend next year's draft filling holes created by moving on from current starters just to get cap compliant.

It's not ideal by a long shot, but they don't have a choice

[Aggies7]

3 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

Free agent QBs that give you something close to league average play cost money.  They can't afford one.

Their cap situation dictates that this is McCarthy's team for better or worse next year.  Drastic improvement from him is their best bet at getting better for next year.  They're going to spend next year's draft filling holes created by moving on from current starters just to get cap compliant.

It's not ideal by a long shot, but they don't have a choice

3.9 million for Mac jones next year?

[The Great Hambino]

7 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

A great draft, clearly.

100% need to deal Addison and cut Hockenson, so there are two real holes (and both DTs they paid for this year, and maybe the C if he gets another concussion). Smith will finally resign, so there is another starter they need to replace. That's likely 4-6 starters they need to replace.....

And they're pretty much all gonna need to be replaced through the draft or with fringe-roster types.

 

4 minutes ago, gunnarthor said:

The cap thing isn't as bad as it sounds. There are several articles on that if you look.

There's a difference between becoming cap compliant and actually improving the personnel.  They can do the former but not the latter.  You can't just yadayada away a $50MM cap hole.  

[The Great Hambino]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

3.9 million for Mac jones next year?

Add a 1 to the front of that figure and you might be closer.

Daniel Jones signed for $14.5MM coming off a practice squad