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[Mr. Brooks]

It seems to me you're more than willing to wear out his arm, if you're making the argument Perkins should be used in every game's "highest leverage situation." 1) There are an awful lot of high leverage situations in a season, and 2) in order for that to happen, Gardy will have to successfully guess when those situations will occur, which might happen multiple times in a given game, and be willing to warm him up but not use him if the high leverage doesn't develop. If those don't apply, then it seems to me you're just second guessing a specific situation in a specific game in which you disagree with a reliever choice. You have every right to do that, of course, but at least let's not pretend it's part of some larger philosophical disagreement.

 

I've gone out of my way to tell you that this is not always possible, but that in this specific case, it was possible.

I really don't understand how I can make that any clearer?

[Mr. Brooks]

I'm not sure that last was necessary.

 

And the bolded part where you attempt to get in my head and declare, for me, what my motives are was?

[snepp]

Umm, yeah, this particular sub-discussion has more than run its course. Let's move along and leave the insults for Rubechat.

 

 

Thankee Sai

[Guest USAFChief]

I've gone out of my way to tell you that this is not always possible, but that in this specific case, it was possible.

I really don't understand how I can make that any clearer?

And I have gone out of my way to agree that in this specific case, it was possible. So we're back to second guessing a specific decision. Hope we can have future discussions. And with that, I'm out.

[Mr. Brooks]

And I have gone out of my way to agree that in this specific case, it was possible. So we're back to second guessing a specific decision. Hope we can have future discussions. And with that, I'm out.

 

I think you don't understand what second guessing means.

If my stance was formed BEFORE the results were known, that is not second guessing.

[TheLeviathan]

Thankee Sai

 

Ah.....that takes me back.

 

Your words are, as always, Ka-Me for our Tet here at Twins Daily. (Hurry up and get that movie made dammit!)

[diehardtwinsfan]

Remember when Tyler Robertson was our top prospect? Me too.

[snepp]

Ah.....that takes me back.

 

Your words are, as always, Ka-Me for our Tet here at Twins Daily. (Hurry up and get that movie made dammit!)

 

I'm insane. I've read the first three books 3 times, the next three books twice, but have yet to actually start the final.

 

I'll have to re-read them all again before I'm ready to finally finish.

 

 

I'm still holding out hope they find a way to do some kind of mini-series.

[Mr. Brooks]

Remember when Tyler Robertson was our top prospect? Me too.

 

 

According to who??

[diehardtwinsfan]

1) If you think all those hundreds of thousands of games have much relation to Baltimore vs Minnesota in early April 2013, knock yourself out. I pay no more attention to "win expectancy" than I do to "run expectancy." Each asks you to believe that an average amassed over a long period of time is relevant to a specific situation. I don't believe that 2013 Aaron Hicks, hitting with 2 on and 1 out, vs Justin Verlander, is equal to Albert Pujols hitting with 2 on and 1 out, against random crappy reliever. If you believe in a run expectancy chart, you by definition think those two situations are exactly alike. Same for "win expectancy," only on a smaller scale. 2) Talk about hindsight. The 8th inning started with nobody on base. It only became "high leverage" when runners reached base. 3) I'm not bastardizing the point in any way. It seems sort of...convenient...to insist "we're not saying use Perk/Burt in every game, but we're sure going to point it out every time Gardy doesn't."

I think the other thing it misses is that it treats runs in the first inning less than runs in the 8th. I get that there's less time to make it up, but a run in the 1st is just as important as one later in the game. That kind of thinking is what makes people say that April games don't matter. We saw last year that April games really do matter. Good points though.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I think the more realistic options are to play it like he did, or start the 8th with Perkins and get 2 innings. Either way is defensible. Bringing in Perkins after the 8th gets away from you is, in this case, a lot tougher to do than you think. In this specific case, it could have been done, but IMO bringing him in to face Davis was too late (already tied, only one out), and bringing him in earlier but after the start of the inning was pretty tough to do. I also don't know how well Perkins would respond to multi-inning appearances, multiple times. Some relievers are fine, some don't respond well. As it turns out, it for sure would have meant a different pen usage Saturday.

 

The big thing I don't understand is why relievers are only expected to handle an inning. I think you can make a health argument that it's better for them to warm up and pitch a couple of innings and get the next day off then the warm up/stand down/warm up/pitch routine that happens... Plus, I never understood pulling a reliever after striking out the side in 10 pitches. If he's on, let him and pitch and rest the rest of the pen.

[diehardtwinsfan]

According to who??

Probably should have said "a top prospect"... 4th on this list. BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Organization Top 10 Prospects: Minnesota Twins: Top 10 Prospects With Scouting Reports And I'm 90% certain Seth gave him number 1 that year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

No personal insults. I think we've clearly established that rule to the point of nausea.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Snepp beat me to it.

 

Now I'm just padding my post count.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm insane. I've read the first three books 3 times, the next three books twice, but have yet to actually start the final.

 

I'll have to re-read them all again before I'm ready to finally finish.

 

 

I'm still holding out hope they find a way to do some kind of mini-series.

 

The original plan of 3-4 movies intermixed with a TV mini-series sounded like a dream come true. Unfortunately the "come true" part hasn't happened. When I finally read the final book I had to read 1-6 again in what could best be described as a "bender".

[Mr. Brooks]

Probably should have said "a top prospect"... 4th on this list. BaseballAmerica.com: Prospects: Rankings: Organization Top 10 Prospects: Minnesota Twins: Top 10 Prospects With Scouting Reports And I'm 90% certain Seth gave him number 1 that year.

 

Okay, that makes more sense.

4th prospect is nothing special, given how thin our system was at that time.

On that list, Blackburn was #1, and Swarzak was right behind Robertson at #5.

 

There are clubs out there right now that have #4 prospects that wouldnt crack our top 15.

[snepp]

The original plan of 3-4 movies intermixed with a TV mini-series sounded like a dream come true. Unfortunately the "come true" part hasn't happened.

 

I just hope that when they do actually get around to doing something, that they do it right, or at least as close to right as possible. Go big, or go home.

 

 

When I finally read the final book I had to read 1-6 again in what could best be described as a "bender".

 

That's exactly what I had intended to do the last time I went through them. I read through the first six in a couple of weeks, then for whatever reason just couldn't bring myself to finish. There'll likely be another of those benders in the future.

[TheLeviathan]

I just hope that when they do actually get around to doing something, that they do it right, or at least as close to right as possible. Go big, or go home.

 

King movies are so hit or miss. They are either huge hit or huge miss IMO. So I'm right with you - dare to be epic with that series. I think The Gunslinger is one of my top 5 books and one I've read more times than I can count but damn would the fanboy in me go nuts if they pulled it off.