MMMordabito Verified Member Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 1.71 ERA / 0.85 WHIP / 20 K/BB% - These numbers aren't even in the same ballpark (sorry) as his Wichita numbers. Joe Ryan has been awesome, and the Twins are getting the production at the big league level. However, it definitely looks like any talk of "fleecing" may be premature.
Otto von Ballpark Old-Timey Member Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 That's definitely a turnaround at AAA for Faucher, although he's now a 26 year old minor league reliever, and those numbers are good but not eye-popping (similar to, say, Derek Law's performance with St. Paul this year). We'll see if the Rays protect Faucher from the Rule 5 draft this winter, or in theory the Twins could take him back. Reminds me a bit of Alan Busenitz, who we acquired at the same age in the Nolasco-Santiago swap of 2016.
4twinsJA Verified Member Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 Rays seem to be more aggressive in promoting players in the minors, appears to work for them. Hope Twins get more aggressive next year, need to change from signing castoffs from other teams to build depth with players whose ceiling is borderline MLB players. Always will need a few of them to fill roster at AAA, but lets see more prospects at AAA and quicker promotion at lower levels.
Seth Stohs Site Manager Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 Faucher was struggling in Double-A with the Twins. Fun to see him doing so well in Triple-A with the Rays. I'd be curious as to why, but it's all small sample at this point. He's a good athlete. The Rays LOVE Twins relievers and keep signing more and more of them.
MMMordabito Verified Member Posted September 29, 2021 Author Posted September 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Seth Stohs said: Faucher was struggling in Double-A with the Twins. Fun to see him doing so well in Triple-A with the Rays. I'd be curious as to why, but it's all small sample at this point. He's a good athlete. The Rays LOVE Twins relievers and keep signing more and more of them. It is a small sample, but for 2021, the inning split is around 60/40 Twins/Rays. I also would be interested to know why the "click" when moving to the Rays. As Otto said, the numbers aren't eye-popping for his age and experience, but, for me, the turnaround is eye-popping. I guess the Rays could have been very insistent on Faucher, and he was more than just a throw in to even up the value. If Ryan can give the Twins 30 starts of competitive baseball in 2022, I'll happily push my eyes back in and look the other way.
Cap'n Piranha Verified Member Posted September 29, 2021 Posted September 29, 2021 5 hours ago, MMMordabito said: 1.71 ERA / 0.85 WHIP / 20 K/BB% - These numbers aren't even in the same ballpark (sorry) as his Wichita numbers. Joe Ryan has been awesome, and the Twins are getting the production at the big league level. However, it definitely looks like any talk of "fleecing" may be premature. If Joe Ryan has a 6-8 year career as a starter where he puts up 1,000-1,200 innings of 4.00 ERA pitching, all for about $30M, then Faucher would have to be Mariano Rivera for this to not be a fleecing. The only way for the Rays to win this trade is for both Ryan and Strotman to flop, and do so quickly. That said, if Nelson Cruz figures prominently in bringing a WS title to Tampa, the Rays will probably not care so much if they "lost" this trade.
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