TwinsFanInPhilly Provisional Member Posted December 20, 2012 Posted December 20, 2012 If Willingham could net Hultzen, you would do that instantly. Me too, but I don't think Willingham plus Benson would get it done.
kab21 Verified Member Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 I'm all for moving Willingham and Morneau this offseason or at the deadline since they aren't part of the long term Twins but I think people need to control themselves when they think about this overabundance of hitters in the minors. There's only one good MLB hitter (Mauer) on the team aside from Morneau and Willy. Hopefully a few of Parmelee, Plouffe, Hicks and Arcia show that they are MLB hitters this year but this offense could get scary ugly fast. I also think the Twins will be very lucky to get a top 50 prospect for Willingham. Forget about Hultzen.
jay Provisional Member Posted December 21, 2012 Author Posted December 21, 2012 I'm not sure if you're saying the Twins should be trading for younger bats or just floating a warning. Hultzen would be quite the get, but Span brought back a top 50 prospect (by most rankings) in a deal some analysts thought we got short-changed. Then, Revere fetched a bunch. It doesn't seem outwardly crazy to think Hammer could bring back a top 50 prospect, especially as the market for power continues to develop.
Otwins Verified Member Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 The Dodgers need a left handed reliever - Perkins for Zach Lee ?Is a top pitching prospect worth your closer
TopGunn#22 Verified Member Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 Can someone give a little background/detail on Biddle and Ruf?
Riverbrian Old-Timey Member Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 The Dodgers need a left handed reliever - Perkins for Zach Lee ?Is a top pitching prospect worth your closer I've been asking for ideas on what we can fish out of the Dodgers for Perkins. He has to be at the top of their need list.
kab21 Verified Member Posted December 21, 2012 Posted December 21, 2012 I'm not sure if you're saying the Twins should be trading for younger bats or just floating a warning. Hultzen would be quite the get, but Span brought back a top 50 prospect (by most rankings) in a deal some analysts thought we got short-changed. Then, Revere fetched a bunch. It doesn't seem outwardly crazy to think Hammer could bring back a top 50 prospect, especially as the market for power continues to develop. I'm saying that the Twins shouldn't be trading away any of the hitting prospects because this organizational strength could easily flip in a couple of years. They don't need to trade for bats but I wouldn't turn down a trade for a non 1B/OF prospect. I think the Span and Revere trades are kind of a guide for value although the Phillies overpaid. Meyer barely squeezes into the top 50 if does while May is probably going to be just outside of the top 100. Those are about as good as it's going to get in a willingham trade.
diehardtwinsfan Old-Timey Member Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 I'm saying that the Twins shouldn't be trading away any of the hitting prospects because this organizational strength could easily flip in a couple of years. They don't need to trade for bats but I wouldn't turn down a trade for a non 1B/OF prospect. I think the Span and Revere trades are kind of a guide for value although the Phillies overpaid. Meyer barely squeezes into the top 50 if does while May is probably going to be just outside of the top 100. Those are about as good as it's going to get in a willingham trade. I think you are a bit low on May, especially noticing that he improved pretty significantly during the final couple of months of 2012... That said, I have one quibble. The Twins SHOULD be looking at middle infield bats. They have Dozier, who isn't much of a prospect but could surprise, and Rosario who won't be up until 2015 at the earliest. They had a couple of interesting options in their short leagues, but those guys are even further out. They might not want a ringer, but a good glove with a bit better than average bat is definitely something they should be targeting to help man the middle. I agree they should still be looking at Meyer/May/Gibson type guys as well. I'm not sure what Hammer would net, but they have to be looking at AA middle infield help as well.
kab21 Verified Member Posted December 22, 2012 Posted December 22, 2012 Most sites have ranked May with Gibson, Berrios and Kepler and these prospects are barely cracking top 100's. I have no problem with your one quibble. i agree. People have focused so much on the pitching issue that they ignore the MI/C (and potentially even 3B) lack of depth. I also think they overestimate the strength of the OF'ers and 1Bman in the system. The Twins have Hicks, Arcia and Parmelee (and maybe Benson) that are close to the majors. The next group Buxton and Kepler were in rk ball last year and are probably 3+ yrs away. Trading a guy like Arcia puts the OF in a pretty scary situation for awhile imo.
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