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Years ago Ryan liked Clete Thomas as amateur. He got a fair run here due to that. Field reminds me of that. There have been many players through the years with different coaching reach their potential, see Hicks, Aaaron.  In terms of FO knowing more, I would hope that they do as they should have a lot better scouting

I'm not sure what the argument is here; Thomas wasn't good by any measure for the Twins. 

 

It's sad that Hicks is reaching his potential after leaving MN. For reference, Buxton's WAR last season is higher than Hicks has ever put up, including this season. The Twins are quite literally choosing Field over Buxton to end the season. We know it isn't about MLB performance. We know it isn't about injury or rest. We know it isn't about where either player fits into the future of this team. That doesn't leave a whole lot else to point to other than service time manipulation. 

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Well, yeah, that's a terrible way to handle that.  You know something like that is going to be a blow to the player, you better have the guts to deliver the message yourself.

I wonder how much of this is TD overreaction. I've seen very little in the media about Buxton being upset. To be fair, he should be, to the extent that he wasn't called up, but at the same time, if hi

IIRC, on Sundays pregame Levine said he did make the call to Buxton after he called his agent. However, Buxton did not answer the call. He then hears it from his agent. So, if that is true, I'd have

Hicks was decent for one year with the Twins. He was also terrible in his first crack with the Yankees.

 

Don't forget, Hicks was becoming "expendable" as Buxton was about to debut as the full time guy.

 

What should really make you angry is not only did the Twins give up on Hicks, but they gave up on JR Murphy, who they traded him for, after a mere 26 games. 

 

Anyway, for the older people in the audience, it's no surprise that someone was traded off from the Twins only to become very good. This has been going on my entire lifetime. It seems like a Twins-centric problem but it's probably simply a common thing in baseball.

 

 

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Hicks was decent for one year with the Twins. He was also terrible in his first crack with the Yankees.

 

Don't forget, Hicks was becoming "expendable" as Buxton was about to debut as the full time guy.

 

What should really make you angry is not only did the Twins give up on Hicks, but they gave up on JR Murphy, who they traded him for, after a mere 26 games. 

 

Anyway, for the older people in the audience, it's no surprise that someone was traded off from the Twins only to become very good. This has been going on my entire lifetime. It seems like a Twins-centric problem but it's probably simply a common thing in baseball.

Murphy had a good month before becoming putrid. Gimmenez has given more than Murphy has for his team.  Why should anyone think of being angry

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I'm really trying to figure out what the deal was with Murphy. He could hit in NY... and just forgot in MN. 

Arizona hasn't helped him remember. :) Not even thin air at AAA Reno has put a charge back into his bat. Up to age 22 his minor league record suggested he would be a hitter, but apparently some hole in his game got exposed and he's never compensated - low outside strikes if Fangraphs' heatmap is to be taken at face value.

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Murphy might be pretty good with the glove, though. BP ranks him 9th among catchers in 2018, despite not a lot of playing time:

 

https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/sortable/index.php?cid=1899425

 

Bobby Wilson is 23rd in comparable playing time, but is 5.5 runs behind Murphy (half a win or so).

 

Arizona catchers rank 4th, 9th, and 19th. They've had a pretty incredible year pitching, that is for sure. (Although it is starting to look like they may fall short of postseason qualification.)

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Johnny Field is one of those guys you need to evaluate if you wish to keep. Chances are he would still pas thru waivers and return as minor league depth. But they must see something.

 

Not sure the pecking order these days for communication within the organization. You have people in player development and contracts that talk to players and/or reps. You have your person in charge of the minor leagues, who is the main conduit there. 

 

I'm not sure if TC Bear, is used, at times, to communicate with folks. 

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That's a simplistic view. Giminez is there for the young SPs.  Obviously, the scouts saw something in Johnny Field. We complain that we could never come up with a Max Muncy because we don't provide an opportunity and then complain when they take a look at a guy. He is getting that look in meaningless games and will be put down the road if he can't show something in this short stint. Belisle is a mystery. 

 

Just for clarity. 

 

It has been "I" along with a small minority of others who have been consistent in complaining about providing opportunity for others and therefore maybe getting lucky and finding a Max Muncy.

 

The people who complain about others getting a chance is probably the majority. 

 

The contradiction you reference is coming from two different view points but you make it sound like there is some sort of waffling going on. 

 

BTW... the majority is wrong.  :)

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I'm not sure what the argument is here; Thomas wasn't good by any measure for the Twins. 

 

It's sad that Hicks is reaching his potential after leaving MN. For reference, Buxton's WAR last season is higher than Hicks has ever put up, including this season. The Twins are quite literally choosing Field over Buxton to end the season. We know it isn't about MLB performance. We know it isn't about injury or rest. We know it isn't about where either player fits into the future of this team. That doesn't leave a whole lot else to point to other than service time manipulation. 

 

Service time management or manipulation is a plausible explanation. 

 

Johnny Field is a separate issue in my opinion.  

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I'm not sure what the argument is here; Thomas wasn't good by any measure for the Twins. 

 

It's sad that Hicks is reaching his potential after leaving MN. For reference, Buxton's WAR last season is higher than Hicks has ever put up, including this season. The Twins are quite literally choosing Field over Buxton to end the season. We know it isn't about MLB performance. We know it isn't about injury or rest. We know it isn't about where either player fits into the future of this team. That doesn't leave a whole lot else to point to other than service time manipulation. 

Was it is a really difficult concept . GMs like certain players and give them one more shot.  The guy from Texas knew of Field from his amateur days.    It still really isn't a Field versus Buxton sort of thing. I do not see anywhere that somebody thinks Field could be a CF of the future. What they need to figure out is does he slot above Cave, Grossman, or Wade   They have to figure out if they want none, one or more of them.   The management isn't as smart as the regular fan because they have to be worried about what a player could be, and why they are not. 

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Johnny Field isn't playing if Buxton is up. His continued presence on the roster is a product of service time manipulation. I wouldn't characterize that as separate. 

 

I won't argue that this Buxton maneuver was service time driven. However... In my opinion, it probably would have happened with or without the presence of Johnny Field. If service time is indeed the reason (I think it is). Johnny Field wouldn't be the player that clears the way for this to happen.  :)

 

In my opinion, The Buxton situation is about Buxton only. 

 

 

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I won't argue that this Buxton maneuver was service time driven. However... In my opinion, it probably would have happened with or without the presence of Johnny Field. If service time is indeed the reason (I think it is). Johnny Field wouldn't be the player that clears the way for this to happen.  :)

 

In my opinion, The Buxton situation is about Buxton only. 

Sure, I agree with that. My point was that they opted to give Buxton's innings to somebody else. Field happens to be that guy. 

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Sure, I agree with that. My point was that they opted to give Buxton's innings to somebody else. Field happens to be that guy.

I think Field came up because of Rosario’s injury not so much the Buxton situation. The Twins still had plenty of outfielders without Field and Buxton until Rosario got hurt. Field really hasn’t played that much even with easing Rosario i to action.

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