Article: Can Derek Falvey Be The New Andy MacPhail?

[Otto von Ballpark]

I hope that Falvey is not the new Andy McFail. After Calvin's players got old look at what shape was the team in? Augment and win then run so it may take a few more years for people to realize you were lucky.

I think it took a bit more than luck to take Griffith's collection of players and get two titles out of them, plus two more competitive seasons in 1988 and 1992. Or at least, MacPhail put them in good position to take advantage of good luck?

 

Also, Radke, Hunter, Koskie, Guardado, and Hawkins were all drafted in the MacPhail era too, so he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare.

[jokin]

 

I disagree.

 

I think it took a bit more than luck to take Griffith's collection of players and get two titles out of them, plus two more competitive seasons in 1988 and 1992. Or at least, MacPhail put them in good position to take advantage of good luck?

Also, Radke, Hunter, Koskie, Guardado, and Hawkins were all drafted in the MacPhail era too, so he didn't leave the cupboard completely bare.

 

Uhhh, yeah? It takes some real champeen chutzpah and trolling for any Twins fan to try to find fault on the part of the GM from 86-92. From making exactly the right hire in TK, to breaking down and rebuilding a spent pitching staff in near-record time and then producing 2 WS champs and 2 more legit WS contenders over 6 full seasons required alot more than dumb luck and Calvin's young stable of inherited talent.

 

Plus, he was dealing the entire time with an owner who had been talked into taking on the Twins by his buddies- Bud Selig and Jerry Reinsdorf- as a tax shelter, not to establish a winning baseball tradition.

Edited September 29, 2016 by jokin

[old nurse]

 

Uhhh, yeah? It takes some real champeen chutzpah and trolling for any Twins fan to try to find fault on the part of the GM from 86-92. From making exactly the right hire in TK, to breaking down and rebuilding a spent pitching staff in near-record time and then producing 2 WS champs and 2 more legit WS contenders over 6 full seasons required alot more than dumb luck and Calvin's young stable of inherited talent.

 

Plus, he was dealing the entire time with an owner who had been talked into taking on the Twins by his buddies- Bud Selig and Jerry Reinsdorf- as a tax shelter, not to establish a winning baseball tradition.

So winning a World Series gives MacPhail  a free pass on the fact he left the team in terrible shape by 1994 when he left?  MacPhail was lucky in that he walked into a situation where there was a great core of undeveloped talent. The subsequent teams he has taken over have won how many World Series?  Cubs even come close? Can't blame the cheapskate owner there. You can't say there was a winning tradition with the Cubs. You can't say they did not try.  How about Baltimore?  He changed them from mediocre to contending after he left.

[wsnydes]

 

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This might be the most depressing post that have ever been posted on TD.  It's like getting multiplier bonuses in a video game, only the multiplier is a negative.

Edited September 29, 2016 by wsnydes

[wsnydes]

 

So winning a World Series gives MacPhail  a free pass on the fact he left the team in terrible shape by 1994 when he left?  MacPhail was lucky in that he walked into a situation where there was a great core of undeveloped talent. The subsequent teams he has taken over have won how many World Series?  Cubs even come close? Can't blame the cheapskate owner there. You can't say there was a winning tradition with the Cubs. You can't say they did not try.  How about Baltimore?  He changed them from mediocre to contending after he left.

I blame a billy goat for his Cubs record.  

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

So winning a World Series gives MacPhail  a free pass on the fact he left the team in terrible shape by 1994 when he left?  MacPhail was lucky in that he walked into a situation where there was a great core of undeveloped talent. The subsequent teams he has taken over have won how many World Series?  Cubs even come close? Can't blame the cheapskate owner there. You can't say there was a winning tradition with the Cubs. You can't say they did not try.  How about Baltimore?  He changed them from mediocre to contending after he left.

I don't think anyone is claiming MacPhail was perfect, just that he had an overall positive record here.  And every World Series team in history is probably the beneficiary of good luck.

 

His Cubs did come close to the World Series in 2003, closer than the Twins have come since MacPhail left.  And while MacPhail obviously can't take too much credit for things after he left those jobs, both the Cubs and Orioles made the playoffs the first year after he left with rosters he largely built, which somewhat offsets leaving the 1994-1995 Twins in a bad position when considering his career record.