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  1. nicksaviking
    Didn't the Twins just get their defensively gifted, offensively challenged SS of the future? Pitching, pitching and more pitching is what I want, and the Reds have a ton. I think it would be tough not to come away with at least one pitcher that would immediatly be top 1 or 2 in the system.
  2. nicksaviking
    I think this is part of the issue in deviding everyone on this board in regards to the talent the Twins got for Liriano and may get for other players. No one expects those kinds of players, but high upside does not necessarily mean high ranking. A team may have a pitcher ranked 15th in the system pitching in AAA and ready to contribute. The 16th player in their system may be in A ball, very raw, but with strikeout potential. It's a tough decision, but I want the A baller.
  3. nicksaviking
    The Jays and Braves may not have been, but the reports said the Red Sox were in it until the end and the Cardinals and Orioles were also in on Liriano. I'm not talking top 10 prospects here, as I clearly stated, I'm talking about players that have a similar ranking to Hernandez. Teams rarely have an issue trading thier 20th-30th ranked minor leaguers in A ball, someone surely was available, Ryan just went the safer route.
  4. nicksaviking
    I'd like to see the Twins push to move Burnett and hope that some GM likes his 1.16 WHIP and 2.90 ERA. I'd move him for just about anything, I don't want him in the bullpen going forward. He's getting the job done now but I don't know how. I think going forward he's going to do more harm than good with the awful K/9 rate.
  5. nicksaviking
    Perhaps I can't speak for all the people disappointed in this trade, but I feel that the trade defenders don't quite get the point of the frustration. Hernandez wasn't a highly rated prospect, but he's ready to go, he'll probably be up in September or if another starter gets injured. The probelm is the guy has a 88-92 MPH fastball and an average K/9 rate in the minors that is going to translate to a below average K/9 rate at the majors. There just doesn't appear to much room for improvement with this guy. I can't seem to find where people quoted Hernandez to be ranked in the Sox system, but my point is, I think many of us would have been much more satisfied had Ryan gotten a guy similarly ranked but was in A ball with some strikeout potential. Those guys make a fan think that you might have found a diamond in the rough, as opposed to getting a MLB ready arm with little hope of being more than a long reliever. I'm sure someone is going to say, a guy like that was not available, but that's utter BS. There were at least 4 teams in on Liriano, at least one of them, and likely all of them would have been willing to part with a prospect similarly ranked to Hernandez but was lower in a system and had swing and miss potential. Ryan picked MLB ready over better potential, I don't know how it can be seen any other way and that's what I don't like.
  6. nicksaviking
    Well, Chris Sale is in the Sox rotation while Wimmers has struggled, but the draft worked out that way because the Twins had a lower draft pick as a result of being a superior team the season before. To be fair though, had the Twins had their choice of pitcher at #13 that season, it is still possible they still would have chosen Wimmers over Sale. The only other young starter for the Sox is Quintana. He's 23 but has been in organized baseball since he was 17. Their closer Addison Reed is the only other 23-year-old pitcher getting significant time. You're right, he possibly would not be with the Twins yet having been drafted in 2010, but he dominated the minors, and 23-year-olds are not really the outlier for the Twins, they've had plenty of them over the last decade. It seems like the Sox do move guys up faster but I don't know if the difference is significant, especialy this year. Liam Hendriks has started and he too is 23. If you want to look for a bias age, look for 21-year-olds. There are usually several pitchers of that age in the league, but the Twins have only gotten 15 starts from pitchers that age since they left Old Met.
  7. nicksaviking
    I'd like to think he'd take higher upside guys no matter what the level, but then why are all the reports saying that he's looking for MLB ready starters in exchange for Morneau? Just about everything is pointing to him chosing pitchers ready in 2013 over upside.
  8. nicksaviking
    I rip on the scouting as much as anyone. Here in the states, their skill is debatable, but the international scouts are killing it. Honestly, since all the original scouting reports were all about him being a great athlete and not about being a ballplayer, I never expected much. What a steal.
  9. nicksaviking
    He would change tunes if after saying he wanted high upsided guys, Dave St. Peter told him he wasn't going to have much payroll to work with next year and might want to think about getting MLB ready arms instead to fill out the rotation.
  10. nicksaviking
    We don't know that. We have two quotes from Ryan in the last week or so. In one of them he said he was looking for high upside players in his trades, that implies he'd take younger guys in A ball if they were better prospects. In another quote he said he wants MLB ready pitchers. Those are pretty contradictory statements. The Twins got nearly MLB ready Hernandez from the White Sox and it is being reported the Dodgers are no longer a fit for Morneau because the Dodgers don't have the MLB ready arms the Twins want. For all we know the Red Sox, Pirates and Cardinals were offering better prospects for Liriano, but they were further away and Ryan valued MLB ready more. If true I hate this for two reasons. Obviously we would all rather wait for a good pitcher than have a fill in guy who is ready, especially if this is a rebuilding team. The second reason this sucks is because if the Twins are looking for MLB ready starters, it surely means that's how they plan on filling out the rotation next year and once again they will likely ignore top flight free agent arms. It would make sense that Ryan first said he wants high upside guys, and then changed his tune if St. Peter told him in between quotes that payroll was going to be slashed and he wasn't going to have much money to work with next year.
  11. nicksaviking
    I'd gladly retract every bad thing I've said if that were to happen. Since Ryan took over the Twins however, the Twins have only given 1 multi-year deal to a starting pitcher who wasn't with the Twins the year before. That was a two-year deal to 36-year-old Bob Tewksbury in 1997. Because of that, I'm not holding my breath. Ace pitchers get more than one-year deals.
  12. nicksaviking
    But that's only because you assume the Twins already have a preset payroll in mind for next year. I do not believe that at all. Every indication, from the losing product on the field to the decreased revenue at the gate says the Twins will be decreasing payroll. They can't get Joe Mauer and the guys under contract next year to take a paycut, so the only way they'll be able to trim payroll is by not spending the money they saved on the players they lose.
  13. nicksaviking
    I don't buy it. If Morneau's $14 came off the books they'd invest $6-7M tops back into the payroll. Last year losing the salaries of Cuddyer, Natan, Kubel, Capps, Young, Thome and Slowey saved them about $43M, while they reinvested about $20 back into the payroll with Willingham, Doumit, Marquis, Carroll, Zumaya and re-signing Capps. The money they save from Morneau maybe will get them a Joe Saunders, I'd pass and hope for more improvement from Morneau next year.
  14. nicksaviking
    I hope they don't move him just to get rid of the contract. He would be worth more next year when there isn't a second year attached to him. Who knows, if he takes another step toward his pre-concussion self he could be a hot target. No one really believes that if the Twins saved money on his contract next year they will actually put that back toward the payroll do they?
  15. nicksaviking
    Is no one concerned that both of these non-prospects are now forced to take a 40-man roster spot? If any more moves are made and the Twins need to clear more roster space, now they have to lose another player just to keep thses two bums? There are a lot of expendable players on the 40-man, but if I had to decide who was the most expendable based on how they have faired in the minros and what thier ceiling is, Escobar would be the first guy I'd get rid of. This trade made no sense on so many levels. Escobar is already in his second option year, next year is his last. So in 2014, the Twins will be putting him on waivers already when they need to replace him for someone who can hit. Even if there were no better packages, and even if the Pohlad's told Ryan that in no way shape or form can Liriano be offered a qualifying offer (doubtful) Ryan's biggest mistake is clogging the already messed up 40-man instead of asking for younger developmental players.
  16. nicksaviking
    The problem isn't with Liriano as much as the fact that he isn't the only player the Twins gave away. Next spring, who is goinng to lose a spot on the 40-man because of these two? There are several expendable players on the roster, but it can be easily argued that these guys are just as expendable and useless. A powerless, speed deprived, utility infielder who can't get on base looks to be the worst player that will be on the Twins 40-man. If the Twins again need to clear roster space, Escobar looks to be the first player I'd dump. Next year will likely be his last option year, so unless he's good enough to stay on the 25-man all of 2014, he'll be put on waivers the first time the Twins actually need some offense to replace him. He might clear waivers, but then that will go to show what the rest of the league feels about him.
  17. nicksaviking
    The biggest probelm for me is that they traded him for two bums who are required to be on the 40-man. Why the hell would Ryan do this? These guys look to be DFA candidates the second their option years are up, but in the mean time who are we kicking off? Guerra? Slama? Waldrop? Tosoni? Surely Ryan could have recieved better quality prospects if he had picked players lower in a team's system. I don't think he thought this one through at all. Terrible decision; I'd have rather hung onto Liriano and rolled the dice that he was worthy of a qualifying offer. Obviously the Twins wouldn't have missed out on much even if they lost him for nothing in the offseason and there would be room to add Hicks and/or anyone else who needed to be added come this winter.
  18. nicksaviking
    Trading only the 2nd starter who can boast a career K/9 over 7.80 for such a light haul seems like a big deal to me.
  19. nicksaviking
    Our indignation will certainly feel justified.
  20. nicksaviking
    Yes but an inept GM trades a guy for next to nothing when he could have gotten an additional high draft pick next year when his player declines the qualifying offer. There's maybe 20% chance max that Liriano would have accepted seeing as he's likely the top lefty and one of the youngest on the market next year and it wouldn't have been the end of the world if he had accepted. I was ready for a complete overhaul but I don't trust Ryan to do right by the club anymore. Please hold onto Span/Willingham/Perkins and anyone else under contract until someone with a better vision takes control.
  21. nicksaviking
    Surprised there's so much action in this thread. Is no one aware that Women's Beach Vollyball is also on?
  22. nicksaviking
    I hope he tears the cover off the ball and the Twins find room for him and Plouffe once a couple trades happen. Hopefully Valencia brings back his trade value, or at least boosts himself so he could become at least a secondary piece of a multi-player trade this off season.
  23. nicksaviking
    Seeing as how the Twins have a total of 7 starts from 21-year-olds since Terry Ryan took over, I think it's safe to assume Barrios will also get the cautious approach. The starts in question were three from Santana and four from Liriano, neither of which was drafted by the Twins and both were playing in Latin American acadamies instead of American high schools. Additionally, had Santana not been a Rule V pick, the Twins would not have had him on the 25-man roster. If you want to throw in Pat Mahomes' eight starts as a 21-year-old under Andy McPhail, that's a total of 15 starts from 21-year-olds since the team moved out of Met Stadium. I'm not getting my hopes up for early promotions for the high school arms.
  24. nicksaviking
    Boer has had a pretty hard time at FT. Myers so far. Things haven't been as terrible lately as they were early in the year but it's still a struggle. I know he was a fastball/slider reliver at Oregon so I assumed when the Twins said they wanted to transition him to a starter they would add the patented Twins change-up. Does anyone know if his struggles stem from learning a new pitch or if all his pitches are a mess?
  25. nicksaviking
    I'd be ok with Ryan getting one more chance to fix the rotation. At the very minimum, he and the organization have finally shown in the last year that they are seeking pitchers in the draft and through trade that have the ability to keep guys from putting the ball in play. Even if he won't admit it, that indicates he realizes his past short-comings when it comes to evaluating pitchers. Still, he needs to sign a veteran, possibly two, who are legit front end anchors. Ryan has given exactly ONE multi-year deal to a free agent starter who was not with the Twins the season before, and that was 36-year-old Bob Tewksbury in 1997. That probably surprises no one but none-the-less is shocking. Needless to say, you are not going to be getting an ace in free agency if you refuse to offer more than one year.
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