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  1. whydidnt
    I guess we can disagree then on this. For the record Meyer was NOT a consensus top 50 prospect when the Twins dealt for him, go back and look at the rankings. He was a top 75 guy. While Berrios may not be as high on top prospect lists, the results he is producing at a young age will change that very soon and I suspect if the Twins were willing to deal him for a Span like player...not a Jay like player they would have no problem doing so. You are are greatly overvaluing Jon Jay. The Cards didn't trade their starting 3B for a CF to replace Jay because they thought he had a great future, particularly when they had a top 10 prospect waiting in the wings as we'll. Jay has produced 0 WAR so far this year and does not profile as a guy who is going to get that much better. He's better than Sam Fuld, at least offensively, but he isn't going to be a starting CF for many upper division teams.
  2. whydidnt
    Cant argue with the sentiment. But I will say I don't really like WAR for pitchers , doesn't seem to do a good job of really valuing worth. I get why people were frustrated with Liriano, but the point remains to those trashing his results this year, they are par or better than Correia had last year when there was a lot of love thrown his way, that I didn't get either. I still think large portions of fans have been brainwashed by the commentator and the pitching coach.
  3. whydidnt
    Span's WAR in 5 years with the Twins was 17.8, and coming off of a 5.0 WAR season, on a very different realm. I don't agree with the comparison at all and I think at this point Berrios is comparable to where Meyer was when the Twins dealt for him. When Jay is dealt, we'll see, but the Cards aren't getting anything close to Berrios or Vargas for him.
  4. whydidnt
    I disagree. He is not that good and is taking up space on their roster. If the price is truly Berrios or Vargas, then I say no way, but if that's the case the Cardinals will be burning a roster spot on the guy all year for nothing. He's not a top flight starter and the league knows that.
  5. whydidnt
    I think the Buxton injury changes things a bit. It's starting to look like a lost year for him, which pushes his debut back to late 2015, or 2016. Time for the Twins to start acting like a Major League team and get good major league players now. They can worry about what to do with Jay and CF if/when they actually have someone ready to play CF in the majors everyday. Of course it depends on the price, but a decent reliever and low level prospect won't do much long term damage....though I'm not sure I would include Fein.
  6. whydidnt
    I don't know. Last year Correia had a 4.40 FIP and everyone was talking about how good he was. This year Liriano's FIP is 3.91 and everyone thinks he's having a horrible year. I think some have been listening to the Anti-Walk propaganda from Bert and Rick a little too much. I would much rather have Liriano, inconsistency and all, than either Correia or Pelfry, and it's not even close. Especially when you consider he signed for less.
  7. whydidnt
    Yes, a little maddening, but at the end of the day he gave up 2 earned runs in 5 innings. The way Correia, Pelfry and Nolasco have thrown for the Twins, That would be an improvement. When you compare what the Pirates are paying him to guys like Correia and Pelfry, you still wonder what the Twins were thinking. I'd take his line every time Correia or Pelfry pitch and be quite happy.
  8. whydidnt
    Probably, they only scored 3 goals in 2 games at Chicago. Not going to win too many games without scoring especially against a good team like Chicago. The goaltending wasn't the biggest problem in those first two losses.
  9. whydidnt
    Sure doesn't sound like the Twins we know. I wonder if it's just some semantics from his less experienced days. The Twins have long preached throwing strikes, did he take that to mean get strike-outs? His comment on learning to pitch strikes me as perhaps learning that the best pitch may not actually be a strike, but close enough that the batter swings. I'm just speculating here but perhaps the Twins emphasis on throwing strikes doesn't fit with how Lohse has been coached since leaving. Not that your taught to be wild, but rather that you need to be smart and pitch to the situation...kind of like we hear earlier this year when discussing the Twins decision to start shifting fielders and the question of whether the pitcher could pitch to fit the shift.
  10. whydidnt
    Judging by the last couple of seasons, they'll probably be neither. They seem to have a hard time figuring out which side of the equation to be on.
  11. whydidnt
    Very well put. Things have been about as opposite as possible, compared to what I thought would happen. It's just one week, but I can't help but be a bit nervous that the pitching seems to look the same as the last couple of years. Really hoping that Colabello continues to be a source of offense. It seems like once you have one two guys mashing in the middle of a lineup, other guys also seem to hit better. All in all, 3-3 is probably what they deserve, and considering how bad they looked in Chicago, better than expected.
  12. whydidnt
    There was one back in '78 between the Angels and Twins, too. In my mind I always thought there was one between the Twins and White Sox a few years back when they always seemed to be competing for the division. I think my mind is playing tricks on me though, probably just a couple of pitchers tossed for throwing at/near batters.
  13. whydidnt
    I'm not disputing that Deduno gave the Twins a chance to win last year, at all. What is still up for debate is whether that run he had last year is sustainable. I'm all for giving him a shot and hoping he's the exception and his movement is "that good" and it makes up for the low K/9 high BB/9 rate. However the excitement about a 30 year old with 1/2 a good season is a bit much. As i said in the previous post, the excitement is similar to what we saw about Diamond last year...and you could probably add guys like Blackburn in previous years. He may be the exception, but there just isn't enough in his background to count on him as locked in starter in 2014. And I'm willing to put the "pitch to contact" stuff to rest as soon as we see guys that start performing better the longer they are here, and when I start seeing guys k/9 rates go up instead of down while they are here. We just don't have a track record of developing starting pitchers in this organization. I'll let the results prove my point over the guy who's butt is on the line's statement about controlling the strike zone, etc...
  14. whydidnt
    Or, was that just the "Anderson effect". Take something off it and throw it over the plate. Seriously, I don't really know what his physical condition was, it does not seem all that unusual for Twins pitchers to lose some K/9's after spending some time with the big league club though.
  15. whydidnt
    I have to say, though Deduno and Diamond are different kinds of pitchers, we saw the same sort of optimism on Diamond around here last year, and we all saw how that worked out. Deduno could be that rare guy that figures it out late in in career and goes on to have some productive years because he's just different enough. His K/9 & BB/9 just don't scream "stuff" to me. I just think that he's not the kind of guy you count on as a top of the rotation starter (any more than we should have with Diamond last year). If you want to pencil him at 5 and hope he does better, then I'm on board. I just think the goal should be having better players than your opponents, and I'm pretty hard pressed to find any AL Central team that doesn't have 3 or probably 4 starters that I wouldn't rather have than Deduno.
  16. whydidnt
    I guess I missed the story where the Twins said they wouldn't give up a draft pick. I thought earlier in the year Ryan said they would consider it. Of the guys you listed, I think Bailey and Billingsley would be the guys I'd want. Anderson has a ton of talent but is always hurt and don't think he'll be worth the risk. Samardzija seems to be overrated/priced based upon the rumors I've been reading. Hochevar has been pretty awful as a starter for several years now. I just don't see him succeeding in that role after all this time. My preference would still be to sign Garza, E.Santana or Jimenez (in that order) and give up a pick if necessary, though it wouldn't be with Garza. Put it this way, what would you rather have right now - Rosario and other prospects or our 2nd round pick in next years draft? I just can't see valuing that pick more than that sort of package of guys.
  17. whydidnt
    And now, Haren is gone. 1 year $10M + option with the Dodgers. At that price, I would have loved to see the Twins offer something like 2-25 or 3 -36. He may be trying to rebuild value so I have no doubt they would have had to pay more than 1-10 to get him to come here. Despite it being early, as we are so often reminded here, it's starting to look like every other off-season of TR's career, at least as far as Free Agents are concerned.
  18. whydidnt
    I guess some of us confuse "stuff" with "ability to strike guys out". I know I do, when I say a guy doesn't have stuff, I don't mean he can't throw 94 MPH, I mean his pitching repertoire does not seem to create easy outs. Johnson has pitched 431 AAA innings and has a K/9 rate of 5.9/9 ip, his K/BB rate is well under the magic 2.00 line. For reference Pedro Hernandez (in a smaller sample size) at AAA: 6.2/3.09, and we saw how that worked out for the Twins. It's very rare for a guy with this long of a questionable AAA track record to get magically better in the majors. It's just more of the same. We can trash the viability of Welker all we want, and perhaps for merit, but I just don't see anything in Johnson's past to indicate he has the "stuff" to be a competent major league starter. Unless he has developed a knuckle ball it just ain't happening unless he gets extremely lucky, and that labels him as more of the same to me.
  19. whydidnt
    The most intriguing name on this list to me is Porcello. I think he would require the least as far as trade value IMO, he's flashed signs of being really good, but has been inconsistent, and isn't super expensive. Save the $$ for a good FA like Garza. I'm probably crazy, but I'd float a Perkins for Porcello offer and see what happens. I love Perkins, but getting 180+ good innings out of Porcello seems more valuable to me than 70 great innings out of Perkins. The Tigers seem to like the idea of a "proven closer", so they may bite. Not sure on contract status, but I'm guessing Perkins and Porcello are pretty close too.
  20. whydidnt
    Doesn't adding a guy to the 40 man roster also start his option counter? So there is a fine line to balance between adding a very young, raw guy such as Kepler or Vargas vs. protecting him, right? At some point you would prefer guys like Kepler don't burn all their option years toiling in the low level of the minors, I think. I'm sure the Twins take all that into account, just another consideration when you start discussing who to add. I wouldn't add someone just to add them, unless I felt there was a risk of losing that player. For a guy like Kepler, who seems to have a high ceiling it's probably not worth exposing him, but not sure I feel the same way about Achter or Vargas, though I suppose someone might try to grab and stash one of these guys for a year. I think the A's did something like that with a 1B last year.
  21. whydidnt
    I agree, how is he different than the 1/2 dozen or so AAAA arms the Twins run through the major league roster, every year?
  22. whydidnt
    I don't disagree that neither of the guys will likely amount to anything. I just think bringing in junk balling 29 year olds and placing them on the 40 man roster is a bad move and similar to what we have seen in the past. After 3 straight 90+ loss seasons it's time to try something else. If Johnson has a substantial role with the Twins this year, it's safe to say we are looking at 4th straight awful year. If not, then what's the point?
  23. whydidnt
    And yet, I don't think I jumped to any conclusions (leaving out the fact that your definition is just something you just made up). I simply pointed out that this move is the same kind of move we have seen the Twins and Ryan make repeatedly. What evidence do you have that they will do something different? I agree wholeheartedly that it's early in the off-season, however, the point of this thread is to discuss this transaction, and even you have to admit, it's the same type of transaction we have been seeing for years.
  24. whydidnt
    I appreciate the fact that we really don't know if this will have real impact on the makeup of the Twins roster this year. My frustration is that it appears to be more of the same from Ryan. Acquiring guys with questionable stuff that have had some luck and produced a good ERA for one season. The roster is already littered with guys comparable to Johnson, what's the point? We have heard Ryan say for 2 years now that improving the pitching staff is the top priority, yet he continues to bring in the same type of guys. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Seriously, doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
  25. whydidnt
    It's not quite aggregate, though in that it is weighted towards the upper minors. Multiplying the players ranking by 4 if in AAA, down to 1 if in low A. Since the Twins top players are all below the AAA level, they naturally don't rank at the very top. I think for what he was trying to do, seven is a pretty accurate slot for the Twins, based upon BA's rankings.
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