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  1. KirbyDome89
    I'd let him bet on himself, then bite the bullet and sign him back as a FA if that's where it ends up. Spend some of that "financial flexibility," to audition Gibson for another year before committing to him on a long term deal.
  2. KirbyDome89
    If it isn't part of their "vision," then somebody must have a gun to their head because they've done an awful lot of it over the last two seasons.
  3. KirbyDome89
    I don't think anybody expected a complete 180 by this point, but I believe incremental improvement both on and off the field as well as a departure from old "habits," was a realistic expectation for this group. I think a large source of the frustration is the fact that we haven't seen much of either of those goals.
  4. KirbyDome89
    Plenty of posts across different threads
  5. KirbyDome89
    All these terms: "preserve long-term flexibility, pursue value, follow your limits," are a kind way of saying aim low. It's putting a positive spin on shopping in the bargain aisle. That 10-20 number is relative to the talent only in that FA class, and by all accounts it wasn't a particularly good one, which explains the slow winter. I appreciate your fascination with how long I've followed the Twins but feel free to chill on that subject. Yeah, I understand that they aren't Bautista level bad, that's never been the case I've made. If we're just going to hold Lynn and Morrison up against some of the worst signings in team history and clap because they weren't scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel then what are really doing? The fact that neither Lynn nor Morrison was Rondell White doesn't mean the signings weren't lower level. I never said they'd be at home, or that no other team showed any interest whatsoever. Stop with that. Sure, maybe the Twins did slightly overpay to get these guys on one year deals, but in your rush to pat this FO on the back for those signings you're completely ignoring why those players are able to be signed to those deals in the first place.
  6. KirbyDome89
    No, in fact I would've been on board with a better offer than what the Cubs gave him. I realize long term commitments are risky ect. but at some you have the take the plunge and it didn't look like the Twins were going to get an ace caliber pitcher anywhere else. Like I said, 5/100M would've been a steal, but if you really want player X sometimes you just have to pay sticker. This is where we disagree, I don't think they did either. Darvish was expected to sign for 6/150+M before FA began. I don't think they were ever truly on board with bringing him in, hence the low offer, and I don't think they every really backed out either because they did actually make an offer.
  7. KirbyDome89
    That's great for you but it's irrelevant to the conversation. Reality is that the Twins made an offer, albeit low, and weren't successful. We shouldn't be praising them for avoiding an apparent mistake that they obviously had some intention to make.
  8. KirbyDome89
    They weren't huh? I guess I missed where they had interest around the league and the Twins were able to convince them to forego better deals to sign with them for 1 year and 1 year + a team option. "The market fell out on," i.e. bargain bin. They retained that illustrious payroll flexibility because nobody was willing to hand either of those guys a long term deal.
  9. KirbyDome89
    You're missing the point. We agree that 5/100isM would've been a steal. We agree that the market was depressed. IMO that's all the more reason to question the desire to spend the $$ it takes to bring back elite talent. If they're making offers that clearly aren't likely to get a deal done in a depressed market, where as you said, the big FA players are sitting out, why should we believe they'll pay sticker price in 19'? Of course they wouldn't have predicted Darvish would have the season he has. The "foresee," part was tongue in cheek. What that means is they shouldn't be given credit for "avoiding signing Darvish," because they submitted a lowball bid, and they shouldn't in turn be praised for that low offer.
  10. KirbyDome89
    The Darvish situation was a black eye all around for the FO. They were "in," on him to the tune of $100isM over 5 years, which was an offer that was never likely to get a deal done. Darvish eventually signed a deal that was still considerably under expected market value. If he truly was a priority and the organization was actually willing to make a serious offer heading into FA then I have a hard time believing they couldn't have beaten the Cub's offer. That quickly morphed into the FO being wise not to sign him. If they could foresee his struggles this season then why bother with the 5 year offer + media hype in the first place? They dug Lynn and Morrison out of the bargain bin, which isn't anything new for this organization. They'll be players in FA ,if for no reason other than they won't be able to fill all their roster holes internally. The goal should be to aim higher than "value signings." IMO there isn't much to suggest that'll happen.
  11. KirbyDome89
    I guess that depends on what your definition of "give up," is. I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here because I'm still holding out hope for both of them, but I don't see a readjustment of expectations as giving up.
  12. KirbyDome89
    Watching the Dodgers game right now... Dozier having a nice debut Great game I might just stick to this the rest of the season
  13. KirbyDome89
    My man Jorge. He's been silently steady since returning.
  14. KirbyDome89
    Rodney knows he doesn't have to bounce his changeup 5 feet in front of the plate right?
  15. KirbyDome89
    Much more concerned with approach/swing than the lbs... SSS and all, the 1-10 isn't encouraging but the K/BB ratio is. I wanted to see him back asap but I was hoping it was because he hit his way back onto the active roster.
  16. KirbyDome89
    I'm not ragging on how he's pitched this season. I'm not sure why we need to lump in a number of poor starts through July and August with his September starts & this season. His ERA entering his August 22nd start last season was essentially the same as when he took the mound July 4th. That isn't inaccurate and I'm not sure what about it is misleading. He wasn't pitching at the level he is now during that stretch. It doesn't take anything away from what he's doing now to recognize that.
  17. KirbyDome89
    So expect aiming for mediocrity to continue as the status quo?
  18. KirbyDome89
    We all root for guys that are drafted by the Twins. There's more invested from a fan perspective, and players are tracked through the minors. There's always hype surrounding high draft picks, and with that comes hope that they'll deliver on that promise. I get all of that, but I think it's tainting the view some have of Gibson, and IMO it's certainly a driving force for this call to extend him right now. If Gibson wasn't a product of the minor league system, and the Twins had traded for him last offseason, how hard would anybody be pushing for an extension? This is splitting hairs here but Gibson's ERA was higher exiting last July than it was upon entry. He turned in a few duds through mid August too. He didn't really start pitching well until late August, so labeling it as one good month of 17' isn't all that inaccurate. You're right, guys figure it out at different times. Late development happens: Arrieta, Turner, Dickey, you can throw Bautista on that list, and I'm sure there are more if we spend 5 mins digging, but those guys are the exception that prove the rule. For every Jake Arrieta how many guys pop up for a brief period then fizzle back to previous production levels? Can this version of Gibson be who he is for the next few seasons? Sure, but is that a gamble I want to take by extending him right now? Not a chance. If some club feels he's worth the risk and makes a good offer then the Twins should happily make that deal. If not then they have Gibson for 19' and they can use some of that $$ they'll hoard this offseason to bring him back as a FA.
  19. KirbyDome89
    I guess it depends on what definition of we're going with here. If the goal is to win a bad a division and get eliminated in the divisional round then yeah, they might be able to pull that off without Sano or Buxton. I'm skeptical this team will be much more than that without serious contributions from each of them. Dozier is definitely gone, Mauer and Escobar might be following him. There catching situation is bleak. Is Garver capable of playing full time? Will Kepler figure it out and become more than a platoon OFer? Right now the Twins have Rosario and maybe Polanco as position players you can rely making plus contributions. Berrios can anchor the starting rotation, Romero brings hope, and if you want to you can toss Gibson's hat in that ring, although I'm hesitant to trust him. That isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for 2019. Maybe Lewis, Kirilloff, and Graterol all reach their ceilings and the Twins actually make some noise in the playoffs, but I'm getting tired of this window constantly shifting into the future...
  20. KirbyDome89
    I'm not sure what's accomplished by comparing Berrios' debut to Gibson's. Gibson may have had a less rocky intro but those two aren't even in the same stratosphere in terms of where they went from that point. I'm definitely in favor of looking up the numbers, but shouldn't we be including all of them? If we're blaming his early struggles on recovery, fatigue, and being a rookie then what's the explanation for how awful he was in 16' and 17'? You're disregarding a lot of really bad pitching to say that 15' + this season + a handful of starts at the end of last year are the "real," Gibson, and that's who he'll be going forward. That's kind of why I'm making the point about being cautious with an extension, especially when they can wait at least another year. There's no f****** way I'm handing Gibson an extension that ends at age 35.
  21. KirbyDome89
    You watched him pitch the last few years right? There's plenty of reason to doubt... I'm happy that he's throwing well this season at 31, but at the very least the Twins should wait until the end of next season to make any sort of decision on bringing him back. This team just sold a high draft pick to get out from under 1.5 seasons of a rushed extension, I'd prefer that mistake wasn't repeated.
  22. KirbyDome89
    Which Gibson, 13'-17' or 2018? I agree that whatever the Twins get back in a trade won't have near the impact in 19' that Gibson would if he builds off of this season, but you're also taking a pretty serious leap of faith that this is the pitcher Gibson is going to be for the next 1.4 years.
  23. KirbyDome89
    Why risk the extension if they have all that $$$ and "flexibility?" If he continues to pitch like this through next season then address the idea of an extension or just sign him as a FA. I guess I'm surprised that so many are comfortable extending a guy, who up until last September looked like he didn't belong on the active roster. I get that he threw a nice game tonight but...yeah... IMO Gibson is still much closer to Nick Blackburn than Brad Radke, i.e. not a guy I'm dying to commit to long term, especially into his 30s. If another team is certain Gibson has truly turned a corner, and makes an offer that reflects that belief the Twins would be fools not to take it.
  24. KirbyDome89
    I agree with Tom, it's nice that the Twins are on the other side of the "play the game the right way," argument. I'd love to see Molitor, Dozier, and the rest of the team that was vocal about their displeasure towards opponents earlier in the season do the same here and call out Cash, Archer, ect. for acting like asses. Throwing at Escobar because you're pissed after imploding is one of the weakest things I've seen in a while. TB should be embarrassed but hey, Dozier shouldn't have clapped his hands.....
  25. KirbyDome89
    I'm not advocating that they don't look to trade for talent. I'm saying the price they'll ultimately have to pay seems a bit high for only 2 years of said talent.
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