I never intended to post in this thread because I can't stand forcing religion on anybody, especially in a purely atheist discussion, but I thought your comment warranted a response. I am in no way trying to be disruptive or disrespectful and hope that I do not come across that way. I loath religious discussions because it's all about people taking sides on what is possibly the most personal subject out there, and invariably people start slandering other people and/or their beliefs, but I'm going to try to avoid that. To get to the point, while you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I think that either I am completely misunderstanding what you are trying to say or else your comment was one of ignorance, for lack of a better word. Either way, I'm just posting this for the sake of clarification. I have a lot of respect for atheists who accept the fact that there's freedom of religion in our country, and that means the freedom to worship or not worship. Now, I don't have so much respect for my grandpa who pulled a gun on my then non-believing dad for the innocent act of picking up a Bible, but then again, my feelings would be no different if he had been religious and reacted the same way had my dad tossed it into a fire. This thread is all about believers respecting non-believers' views, and while I agree that that is important, I think that we need to have a compromise here. Being religious (and I speak only for myself, not all religious groups/people in general) has nothing to do with the need to believe in a deity to keep myself on the straight and narrow. I'm not going to even try to explain what I believe since I'm sure you're fairly acquainted with the idea of "born again," and anyway, if I did try, it would only come across as though I were trying to convert you. I am not. All I want is for you to understand that we are not the way you were referring to us as; being religious - or I should rather say believers, as the term "religious" seems to refer more to a pharisaical attitude than anything else - does not make us inherently immoral people any more than being atheist doesn't make you inherently immoral. I hope that nobody minds my saying this, especially since it was a pain in the rear to get it all worded out in the least offensive way I could imagine. I am not attempting to hijack the thread, nor do I want this to turn into a religious argument. I respect your beliefs, and I just want you to respect mine, too. And by the way, if I spelled any words wrong, please forgive me ... my internet's really glitchy and my spell check went on strike. Okay, I checked a few in the dictionary.