chpettit19

Anderson was a clear mistake. Just a technicality, but they didn't designate Akil, they left him unprotected not on the 40-man for the Rule V. He had 2 scorching hot months and has been nearly unplayable since. Rosario had a hot month that came at the perfect time. The rest of his time away from MN hasn't been anything to write home about. I mean he had -1.6 bWAR and -1.1 fWAR last year. I get that it's a perception thing, but that doesn't mean people's perceptions aren't wrong, and don't deserve push back. I mean your 3 examples prove the point since really only 1 of them was a poor decision in the moment or in hindsight. The FO deserves criticism for sure. But pretending that this move is bigger than it is makes no sense. How many people on this site could even tell us who Cristian Jimenez is? How many people even knew he played baseball in the Twins system? It's ridiculous to make this out to be some sort of move that we should even have real feelings about. If you'd never heard of either player in a deal it's not a deal worth complaining about.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/01/marlins-letting-teams-know-four-of-their-starters-are-available.html For what it's worth, there reports that Marlins are looking to move Cabrera.

So your ultimate point is that no teams should ever make any deals to bring in any players that aren't already stars? Do you see a bunch of people jumping and cheering for this move? Anyone claiming it's a difference making move? Anyone even think he's going to throw a pitch for the Twins? These deals happen literally everyday in baseball. Guys bounce around the fringes of 40-man rosters. The Blue Jays traded Chavez Young to the Pirates today for Zach Thompson. The Blue Jays, like the Twins, are trying to make the playoffs in 2023. They traded for a 29 year old starting pitcher with a career 4.44 ERA in 2 seasons. Including a 5.18 ERA in 22 starts in 2022. Chavez Young is a nobody, 25 year old prospect. Have any witty comments about that move? The Padres signed Pedro Castellanos yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Red Sox do it when he was with them the last handful of years? The Braces signed Chris Sharpe yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Phillies do it when he was with them? You see why I question the point of your post? https://www.mlb.com/transactions/2023/01/10 hit the back button by the date on this page and go see how many of these moves are made literally everyday in major league baseball. Nobody is claiming the Twins just made some crazy move. It's just part of the shuffling of fringe talent that happens all year long as teams hope to be the ones to unlock more potential in a player. I hope you feel better after getting your pointless complaint out there, though.

I don't get the point of this comment? Every team has thought of doing this. Every team does do this. Why even make that comment?

I think Miami is trying to win now. They only have these starters for so long. They can't sit back and wait for Atlanta (and their ever growing list of stars locked up for the next decade), Philly, and the Mets (with Cohen's money) to suddenly all suck in the next few years before their starters start getting expensive and leaving. So I do think they'd find value in Kepler. Not a ton of value, but I think he'd be someone they'd accept back in trade. They are an interesting team to even deal young guys to, though. They have a number of young, former/current top prospects on their 40-man already. It may actually mean they prefer veterans. Kepler, Arraez, Polanco types. JJ Bleday is their version of Larnach. Groshans is their Miranda. Edwards is their Martin. The question is how much more would/do the Marlins value any of our MLB-ready prospects compared to their own. I'd think Arraez would be their #1 target from MN. Then maybe Kepler depending on their belief on what he can really be for the rest of his contract. They're in an interesting spot.

It's early enough that the reports could be wrong, but the amount of detail in the reports certainly lend them to be believable. If the deal is as reported he will truly have no choice but to accept 10 million (when he's 38 years old, by the way, so it's not like he's going to be a great player still) or retire. Their goal was to get as much guaranteed money as possible, and then tack on the best chances they could of adding more money on top of that. From other reports, the Mets dropped down to 157 million guaranteed for 6 years, then options on the next 6 years. They also wanted him to pass a physical every year or be able to void his deal (Jon Heyman I believe was the source on that report). It sounds like 200 million was the most guaranteed that he could get. So he took his 200 million since his ankle isn't likely to look better on scans after next year. It's pretty crazy how far he fell in terms of money. 350 to 200 in less than a month. Yikes.

Or the Twins plan to turn him into a 2 pitch guy and hope he can get control of the fastball and 1 breaker (probably a few changes just to keep lefties honest). He's got so few pitches in the bigs that it's hard to tell if his curve or slider are more effective. He appears to prefer his slider, though. But I'd guess the Twins have a bunch of minor league data on him and they see a pitch in there they can really boost in frequency and help him out.

There have been reports that there's no opt outs included for Correa. The vesting options turn to team options if he doesn't hit the needed PAs the season before. Based on everything out there Correa is with the Twins for 6 seasons no matter what, and he has no control over the 4 after that.

I think the no trade clause is a great sign that Correa wants to be here (I mean he was always going to chase the money, but the idea that he was lying about enjoying his time here seems to be refuted by asking for an ntc). The contract structure is better than anything I could've imagined. It's absolutely perfect for the Twins. I bashed the FO for ignoring other players in hopes of him accepting 10/285. And I stand by that. There's no way they thought he was going to lose 2 contracts of 300+ and fall in their laps again. They lucked into this. But I'm glad they did. I hope there's some moves to be made to better balance the lineup (have to trade a LH OF) and add more controllable pitching if possible. I hope they don't go too crazy, though. I still wouldn't be willing to deal Lewis, Lee, or Rodriguez unless they're getting someone like Alcantara (never happening) or Gallen who are controllable past 2025. Don't destroy the little elite high minors (plus Rodriguez) depth they have to chase 2023 without a plan for the rotation in 2024 and beyond.

First of all, welcome to Twins Daily! Second, that feels like a whole lot to give up for those 2 arms. Royce and Rodriguez are both top 100 global prospects. I'd be pretty upset if the Twins gave up either of them for Lopez (only 2 years of control left), and I don't know that I'd really love giving one up for Cabrera, but he has a lot of control left so that'd make more sense to me.

Dan Hayes is reporting the vesting options are for 575, 550, 525, then 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit the vesting option for the next year it turns into a team option. So if he doesn't get to 575 PAs in 2028 his $25 million vesting option turns into a $25 million team option. And then so on with 550 PAs/$20 million, 525/$15 million, 502/$10 million for the next 3 year's options.

I had to edit that comment. I was behind on my twitter checking. Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2028, etc. Looks absolutely wonderful for Twins. Full no trade for Correa.

Everything I've seen is that they're all vesting options based on him getting 502 PAs the season before. No options or opt outs in the deal. It's certainly early so reports may be wrong, but multiple reports are saying they're straight up vesting options based on PAs the season before. Edited: Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2029, etc.

Reports are that it's a frontloaded deal. Love that. Looks like it's 36, 36, 36, 31.5, 30.5, 30 then the vesting options kick in (basically has to be a full time player the season before) at 25, 20, 15, and 10. This doesn't make them instant contenders as the key is still health and production from the young guys. Buxton and Correa signed for less than 50 million a year combined with a whole bunch of young position players around them on pre-arb and arb deals is a great situation in my eyes. Young guys need to stay healthy and produce. Same with pitchers. This team's future was always going to be dependant on the young guys stepping up. Correa and Buxton (talent-wise) are awfully nice supplements to the new, young core.

Again, I don't need to see any more of the argument to know that it doesn't hinder their ability to extend the 2 players you mentioned. It's that simple. You stated it'd hurt their ability to extend Lewis and Lee. I refuted that specific claim and explained why.

I didn't see the full argument and am not going to go back and read it. You made a claim after the deal was announced that this deal is too much money and will hinder their ability to extend players that won't be free agent eligible until 2029 at the earliest. I don't care what the rest of the argument was, I directly refute that idea based on the fact that by then Carlos Correa will be making back end starter money, if he's even on the team anymore.

I quoted the comment you made. You claimed it will "hamper their desire to extend Lewis and Lee." I pointed out why it shouldn't hamper a Lee extension in any way, shape, or form. I'm sorry if you didn't actually mean it'd hamper a Lee extension. The comment I responded to was 1 sentence, not a "full argument."

Lee hasn't even debuted yet. The Twins already control him for more than 6 years. If this deal "hampers" their ability to extend Lee it is 100% the Pohlads going cheap. After the 6 years his AAV drops to under 20 a year. That's nothing.

Matches up with Buxton length if I'm remembering his contract correctly.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

No. He wasn't. Acquitted means he was found not guilty. He was never charged. Those are 2 very different things. You ever speed and not get a speeding ticket? Drive drunk and not get a DUI? You weren't acquitted of those crimes, you just weren't charged with them. Not being charged doesn't mean he didn't do something illegal, it means the prosecutors didn't think they could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. There are murderers walking our streets today that the prosecutors know committed a crime, but don't charge because they don't feel they could convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

You ever know someone who's not around anymore? COULD they BE good people? You remember Robin Williams? He could be so funny sometimes. Oh wait, did I just use could with be to refer to something Robin Williams had done in the past? Just because you really want your way to be the "correct one" doesn't mean it is. More Francona quotes on Bauer: "It was a distraction." Sounds like Bauer was actively doing something that was distracting the clubhouse (it was throwing the ball into centerfield) "You want to fix it. But I don't think you penalize your team." Wanted to help Bauer be less annoying, but couldn't let him hold back the rest of the team. Doesn't sound like him being worried about Bauer maybe being annoying in the future, does it? “Do you make it better, do you stay the same or do you make it worse? The idea is to always make it better. But there’s also an obligation to the other 24 guys in there, too, and you try to balance that.” Again, wants to help Bauer, but he's hurting the rest of the team. Still doesn't sound like Francona being concerned that maybe, it's possible, Bauer will cause problems. You're basically arguing that Terry Francona openly pushed for Trevor Bauer to be traded because he was just guessing he may become a problem eventually. You know what, I'll even concede that (even though I don't believe it). If Terry Francona doesn't want you on his team I don't want you on mine. Francona pushing to have someone off his team is more than enough evidence to me.

I believe the 50 unpaid games is already taken out of his 2023 salary. It's why he's "only" getting 22+ million from the Dodgers. The team that signs him will have to pay the 720k. Or that's my understanding at least. He was due 32 million, and is only getting 22.5 or whatever from the Dodgers to make up for the games they paid him while he was on the exempt list, and not officially suspended. So with the suspension being reduced to 194 it counts every game he sat out, but he was paid for 50 of those games, and thus he is being docked 50 games worth of pay. So it's only the Dodgers salary that is effected here.